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Nishkam: Sannyas persecutions in France


Swami Chaitanya Keerti: Sannyasin Persicution in France
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Date: May 31, 2004, 9:11
I remember one long time Osho Sannyasin Ma Sarita writing that She was considered unwanted in France because she belonged to what French authorities considered as a dangerous cult, and she was unwelcome by the same people she belonged in Poona also.
Life is very mysterious. Swami Sant and Ma Ghata phblished 40 Osho books in French language and were a little bit successful in distributing in France. But with a threat of court cases from Osho internation Foundation in New York, they had to compromise and early this month over 5000 books of Osho had to be shredded--not by the Anti-Osho people in France but under the tyrnnical pressure from Osho International Foundation. So now you cannot find any single book in French in bookstores, thanks to OIF. French authorities can celebrate effortless victory with support from OIF New York. OIF New York never published any book in French and some one who published 40 books had to withdraw all the books from the shops and shred them!
Do you have any comments?



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    nishkam: RE:Sannyasin Persicution in France
    Date: Jun 2, 2004, 9:25
    Thanks Keerti,
    these facts are very sad to me. I can only say that the space here at RebelliousSpirit.com is open for Swami Sant and Ma Ghata, as well as for anybody else who knows real facts and wants to bring them up to the light. I think it is important to do for better understanding.

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    amanda freeman: RE:Sannyasin Persicution in France
    Email: amanda.freeman@free.fr
    Date: Jun 6, 2006, 9:58
    Hello,
    I don't know anything about the subject, all i know is that i've lived in France for 17 years, and there are Osho books available everywhere here for at least 5 or 6 years, in French and in English!! I'm very happy about that, i'm a follower of oshos teachings and i've never had any problems. Blessings Amanda

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      JN: RE:Sannyasin Persicution in France
      Email: jayen466@yahoo.com
      Date: Jun 11, 2007, 22:55
      It seems Keerti has never been much interested in the truth, only in demagoguery. Sant was dumped because he insisted on putting "Rajneesh" on the covers of his books, rather than just plain "Osho". Keerti knows it very well.

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        Jayen: RE:Sannyasin Persicution in France
        Email: jayen466@yahoo.com
        Date: Jun 11, 2007, 23:00
        Here an example, published in 1999, 10 years after Osho had made it clear that he wanted all his books to go out under the name "Osho":

        http ://www.amazon.fr/Zen-Reto ur-source-Osho-Rajneesh/d p/2907554190/ref=sr_1_7/4 02-5044969-9016948?ie=UTF 8&s=books&qid=118 1595479&sr=1-7

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          Jayen: RE:Sannyasin Persicution in France
          Date: Jun 11, 2007, 23:05
          Shorter link: http://tinyurl.com/37qktt

          www.amazon.fr
          Title: Zen, Retour à la source
          Author: "Osho Rajneesh"
          Editions du Gange, 3 Sept. 1999

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Parmartha: Osho in France
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Email: edit@sannyasnews.com
Date: Jun 3, 2004, 14:37
I am not 100 sure but it seems that Osho books published translated independently of Osho International (New York) in France faced legal writs, etc. Anyway it seems that some 5000 Osho books translated into Frence have been shredded and you cant get an Osho translation in France at the moment. Strange business!! And business seems to be the key word! I dont think this is the French 'authorities' cracking down but a sannyas v sannyas bullshit.
Love, Parmartha (Editor: www.sannyasnews.com)
Lov e, P

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    : RE:Osho in France
    Date: Jun 2, 2004, 8:14
    Further to what I put in earlier message a number of people have asked me as Editor of Sannyasnews to clarify what is happening in France. My earlier message may have been a little misleading now I have researched it more thorougly.
    First the French government is very down on sects, much more so than in the UK for example. TM, Scientology, Moon,... and Osho, and many others.
    S. was organising an Osho Festival with Milarepa in France, the first for a long time, for September in the Pyrenees. Local police prompted by the French Ministry of Police in Paris visited him and basically put the warners on him and it seems that Income Tax enquiries, etc would be made and questions asked by the Police of visitors to the Festival, etc.
    S. did not want this. He wanted a friendly non-controversial event and has now cancelled the Festival
    So yes in a sense in France there does seem to be some persecution by the authorities of all sects. They label sannyas as "very well organised"! and structured! .... . (not everyone's experience!)
    It is particularly ironic because unlike in Germany, the UK and other European countries, French sannyas has for whatever reason always been a little thin on the ground.
    There are also some (internal to sannyas) French controversies about the publication of Osho's books in French. This is totally unconnected with the French Govenment persecution. I am trying to get to the truth about this at the moment and will try and give some unbiased account through this Noticeboard later.
    Love, Parmartha

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    Nishkam: RE:RE:Osho in France
    Date: Jun 2, 2004, 9:53
    Thank you Parmartha! Your input is much appreciated.
    I have no personal experience with French sannyasins and the situation there, but the theme has another several common aspects to me:
    - to live my own truth no matter what authorities decide
    - to see real situation and be carefull with publishing real names to avoid creating troubles to them
    - to bring up stinking old rumours to the light
    When I discussed this with Shraddes from Germany, he said me that many German sannyasins have big experience with this kind of troubles. They have learned how to communicate with government, how to prepare petitions etc.
    My mind created this picture: after 11-9 F.government wanted to show, that they do something against terrorists. 1 part of it is fight against dangerous sects, so they created committee and produced result - a list with more than 170 sects on it, including Osho. :-/
    But this is my imagination, facts are important. So again, your input is very welcomed.


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    Swami Chaitanya Keerti: RE:RE:Osho in France
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    Email: chaitanyakeerti@hotmail.com
    Date: Jun 3, 2004, 6:41
    Parmartha says: "There are also some (internal to sannyas) French controversies about the publication of Osho's books in French. This is totally unconnected with the French Govenment persecution."
    Yes, this is totally unconnected with French Government. But somehow, OIF New York forcing Sant and Ghata to shred remaining 5000 copies of Osho books is not something pleasant. They had published about 40 titles and worked hard to create Osho presence in the bookshops, in France. What OIF did is utterly destructive, have never published a single book in French themselves. Sant had blessings from Osho to start French edition of Osho Times, and Osho Times did not succeed, then Osho asked him to start publication of French books. And he succeeded. Ten years later OIF started harrassing him--finally he was ordered to destroy the remaining unsold books as soon as possible.
    Was there no other way?

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    Nishkam: RE:RE:RE:Osho in France
    Date: Jun 3, 2004, 12:55
    Keerti, are you in contact with Sant and Ghata? Is any chance they will share the story themself?

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    Parmartha: RE:RE:RE:RE:Osh o in France
    Email: edit@sannyasnews.
    Date: Jun 4, 2004, 10:15
    I sympathise with Keerti's remarks re Osho books in French and he has been very badly treated by Osho International himself and that is simply the case.

    Actually three publishers have put out Osho books translated into French. One of these is run by Gatha and Sant, called "Editions du Gange"), who are friends of Keerti. They have traditionally done this for many years and were authorised by Osho to do so personally many years ago. For whatever reasons Osho International have attempted by legal action to close them down. However OI have a habit of threatening legal action from high placed lawyers and then not doing anything. I had this experience myself when I helped to publish the book "Life of Osho" which was heavily threatened by the most prestiguous copyright lawyers in England at the time. We decided that we would take them on in any legal battle, and would have done so. In the end they did not pursue the matter. As far as I can see Keerti himself has done this in India and now publishes freely and independently there. I cant see why Gatha and Sant in France dont simply carry on and see what happens, especially as they had authorisation from Osho which would be a powerful legal argument.
    There has also been another French independent publishing house called 'Almasta', also run by other sannyasins. And thirdly there is OI themselves who publish through "Editions Jouvence".
    Osho International have published books in French recently. They are the compilations. So French book shops have titles on Courage, Medicine and Meditation, etc and both arriving in the past two months. They are not in this sense Osho books and Osho himself whilst alive did not like compilations. He even asked for statements like "This lecture is complete in itself" to be appended to videos of his talks. However it is not completely true to say that there are no Osho source books available in French bookshops at the moment.
    According to Khirad, the French commune leader, Osho International did ask the 'Almasta' publishers (which they would pay for!) not Sant and Gatha, to shred 5000 past published French Osho books but Almasta have not accepted to do this as yet. If Keerti has different information on this last point he should take it up with Khirad?
    I feel like Keerti it is important, that full and proper "Osho" books, not compilations, be published in all languages. French is still a very widely read international language, particularly in Africa, which is so in need of Osho's love and insight. For example "Way of the White Clouds" should be published in all languages, Russian, Chinese and French particularly. If Osho International are not prepared to do this, others should do so and take them on if legally challenged. The main thing is for sannyasins to cooperate and those who are interested in this type of work to allow it to happen. It is much more important that Osho's work reaches everywhere than anyone's ego, including the ego's of OI, stand in its way.
    Love, Parmartha







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Nisargam: RE:Sannyas persecutions in France
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Date: May 29, 2005, 15:30
I totaly on spreading the fire. Last week, they (OIF) called Satya Priya in the court at New York, they did the same with Dhanyam (Viha).

OIF has very limited vision on osho, opposite of osho's vision. Osho always wanted to spread his fire all over the world.

My own feeling about copyright, osho must have joked about it but we the fool can misinterpret everything. I was reading what osho has said about copyright in "om santih santih santih" where he totaly trashed copyright. --YES THE FIRE HAS TO SPREAD Love, Nisargam

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Anando: RE:Sannyas persecutions in France
Email: pandoanando@hotmail.com
Date: Aug 1, 2007, 18:47
It is sad to see that words full of beauty, that came free out of Love, are subjected to some powerminded people, who of course, live in the United States of Assholes.
A pity that the free spreading of our masters word, is choked by people who seemingly just want to control Life.
They must be afraid of freedom.


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