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n0by: Censorship
WWW: www.n0by.de
Email: n0by@n0by.de
Date: May 13, 2003, 0:18
Dear Nishkam,

about Censorship, special in Rajneesh-Rollce-Royce-Rel igion, my fingers get tired to write about. But an article from www.sannyasnews.com is worth to be cut and pasted... otherwise: let the flow, allow the flow, allow the con- and de-struction of Rajneesh-Rollce-Royce-Rel igion, dear Nishkam! Who are we, to interfere with the flow existence? Egos only, who will die - with or without jail.

Now my old thoughts - compressed in two lines:

CENSORSHIP KILLS COMMUNICATION
CONTROVERS Y CREATES COMMUNION

For the brave ones, who want to read more:

Controversity, Creativity, Connections

People, who can't endure controversity, are narrow minded. Narrow
mind closes the doors to the mysteries. Closed mind can't connect
anymore. To connect creativity needs to endure controversity.

Controversity creates intensity. Intensity deepens inner connections.
Connections to the inside connect to the outside.

Completed connected circles in controversities create credibility.
Creditibility attracks people from controvers circle.

Controversity dissolves in credibility. The creator of controversity
gets credibility.

The illusion of balanced peace gets disturbed quite easily by
emotional stress in controversities. Controversity-Creators are the
engine of evolution. The borders of low mind need to be moved. Moved
borders widen narrow prison minded concepts.

Controversity breaks the illusion of balanced peace. Truth shouts up
inside. Truth is always hidden under cover of illusions.

Religions create illusional mind concepts. Illusional mind artists
create illusional dream-concepts in political-priestly
entertainments.

Controversity bridges illusion with reality. Profounder illusions
attract blatantly controversities.

Result: religious-controversities cut deepest. Illusional mind
concepts prepare for real wars. Material controversities follow, when
controversial mind concepts failed to balance the quarrels inside -
outside.

Censorship deepens controversity, 'cos censors brake bridges. 'Cos
only controversial minds balance inner-outer tension. Censorship
deepens controversity.

Censorship kills first the freedom-of-speech. Violent censors burn
books. Inflamed mind-quarrels ignite violence. Mad dead end: people
kill to dissolve controversities inside outside.

Creativity channels and changes controversity: from the material
destructive level to the mental constructive level of arts, words,
music, films, theater.

Censors cut from the material low mind level like jealousy, laziness,
convenience the free flow. The free flow creates a constructive level
of cultivated controversity. Censors are low level minded and
motivated from greed and adaptation to the low level mass mind.
Censors disturb the equilibrium for higher level mind controversity
creations.

The disturbed equilibrium falls down to the material level of
controversity. The censors in the material level of controversity
manifest as solders, killers, criminals.

God-Devil controversity, life-death controversity, hate-love
controversity have to be endured by seekers of all path. The art of
creation processes controversities. These controversities of high
level create tension in low level mind.

Low level mass mind asks for protections from controversities. Priest
and politics fulfill the low mind longing. Priests and politics
protect low mind by censorship. Looks like tamed dogs guard fearful
sheep. Low herd instinct.

The spiral of more mind protection creates

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    n0by: Censorship, Part 2/2
    WWW: www.clickthepig.de/2/gruen/11may03
    Email: n0by@n0by.de
    Date: May 13, 2003, 0:36
    The spiral of more mind protection creates more controversity until the material level. Material level represents the lowest mind level.
    The creativity of this lowest material mind level represents controversity absolutly to the highest mind level of creation.

    The absolute contradiction in the lowest mind material level and the artfully artistic mental mind level creates destruction. Material lowest mind destructs artfully artistic mental creations. Example:
    Taliban destruct the represantion of millennium-creativity: the
    Buddha Statues. This destruction ends in war.

    The controversity in spiritual discussions needs to accept even the
    worst felt manifestations of an artfully artistic mind as helping
    device. Example http://www.n0by.de/2/rst/ bhagwan.htm

    When low minded people escape controversity the decline to low mind level has started.

    Censors abase the low mind level lower and lower. The end:

    Controversity on material lowest mind level. War unavoidable.

    n



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    nishkam: RE:Censorship, Part 2/2
    Date: May 13, 2003, 13:36
    you did not dissapoint, noby. Your reaction came fast. I read your text very carefully this time. Thank you for your sharing. I think you are really big expert in this area. :-)

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    pradhira: RE:Censorship, Part 2/2
    Email: mapradhira@aol.com
    Date: May 13, 2003, 15:47
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sounds good, nOby, but... How can you dignify this garbage by calling it 'controversy,' nOby? Controversy requires some level of intelligent inquiry - of intelligent thought. There is no intelligent (or honest) inquiry in these rantings. It's just mud slinging, period. I'm not saying that this crap should be censored. That would be giving it too much importance. But I can't blame anyone for complaining about the stench of it. It is an insult to Osho and to Osho's work.

    These people are not focusing on their own growth, on their own transformation. Their whole concern is with wallowing in the mud - in the hopes that they can smear some of it on the people in Pune (who are doing Osho's work). It's so revolting! I'm just glad that Osho is not around to see (or smell) it.

    pradhira


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    n0by: RE:RE:Censorshi p, Part 2/2
    WWW: www.n0by.de/2/rst/jaeni.htm
    Email: n0by@n0by.de
    Date: May 14, 2003, 12:13
    Dear Pradhira,

    happy to read you again in cyber-space, our little, lovely world. Your question is very significant, I love it:

    ''' How can you dignify this garbage by calling it 'controversy,' nOby?'''

    As matter of fact, dear Pradhira, guess you'll agree in my observation? Otherwise, please complain ;-) ! OK?

    My observations:

    every controversial meaning ot mine is bound to come from a lower level of intelligent!

    With a level of intelligence like mine, people are bound to agree with me! Isn't this true?

    Unfortunatly these people of deep insights are very rare on earth - so except my woman and the rare last friends - nobody agrees with me.

    So even my friends like Ka are continously controversial agains my humble opinon! What to do?

    There are friends for to convert their controversy to this high level of intelligence, that they finally agree with me.

    Hopefully that will never happen!

    n

    Otherwise what was left to argue about?


    BTW: special for Lotus-Growth mud is inevitable, my dear, isn't it true?

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    n0by: RE:RE:Censorshi p, Part 2/2
    WWW: www.n0by.de/2/rst/nishkam.htm
    Email: n0by@n0by.de
    Date: May 14, 2003, 12:37
    Dear Nishkam

    the link above is dedicated to your and your work. You do an excellent job! Full support, love and caring for your work. Even the name of the URL is the essence of sannyas ''rellioussipirit'' - from my point of view.

    For your security concerning legal threats:

    Why don't you add just a disclaimer, that everybody is responsible for his contributions?

    Otherwise: existence has opened with your board (and others like www.sannyasnews.com ) a valve.

    The repression in sannyas-cirles - even felt in cyber-space - has come below the level of the criminal fascist minded (mostly) women in Rajneeshpuram.

    For my expertice in this cult area just have a look on my Ma anand Sheela references ;-)

    www.n0by.de/2/bha/ OSHO0042.HTM

    n *;-)

    proudly presented LOL



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    Jukka: RE:Censorship, Part 2/2
    WWW: groups.yahoo.com/group/hyperborean_secrets
    Email:
    Date: Nov 23, 2003, 20:44
    n0by seems to be absolutely right here. In my group there is no this sort of problems, and it's unmoderated. I feel that if people know that if they say something wrong, they will be moderated, it creates sort of cruelty, and pressure. They will unleash this pressure to those who don't guard their words.
    It's my belief that spirit of freedom naturally pushes away negative spirits. Then there is no need to interfere. As long as we are dealing with human beings. Spams and webcam offers are other story...

    Jukka

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devakrishna: censorship
WWW: www.otoons.com
Email: otoons@yahoo.com
Date: May 13, 2003, 7:36
beloved nishkam, will not remove ur link from my site, it's linked in to many pages and it would be to much work....LOL.
i just got tired to hear the same crap over again about CIA and all that.
i like the idea of the compost bin altrough.
sending u love
devakrishna

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jalal: Compost heap
Email: none@none.com
Date: May 13, 2003, 12:48
Compost heap is a great idea.

But maybe easier to do it the other way around, put everything in the compost and then pull out the good, tasty bits.
Looking at the Message Board, there seems to be little of any value there.

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    nishkam: RE:Compost heap
    Date: May 13, 2003, 13:45
    Thank you Jalal. Maybe you are right, so anybody can do this. Delete button is available for everybody now. :-)
    I would like more to watch the show and reduce my influence to the technical side. By the way I just added the posibility to take some info about people writing on the board. So I think it will help to make the whole atmosphere here more open and friendly. But who knows, as noby wrote 'War unavoidable'. :-)

    Also thank you for your greeting. Amar is here and she brought it to me.

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    fdf: leave message board as it is
    Email: ac@hotmail.com
    Date: May 13, 2003, 16:59
    leave message board as it is and request people not to write true stories, they can be anything. exposing politicians at osho commune is good idea via m. board

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    Nishkam: RE:RE:leave message board as it is
    Date: May 13, 2003, 19:29
    Dear fdf,
    the problem is that the message board is not for stories, but for announcements. To write stories there means to misuse the place. I tried to ask and explain, and there is a warning also on the page for adding announcement to the MB.

    We have another place for stories - this sannyas webzine. It is very simple. But it is another problem with it. So called 'osho rebels' or 'Socrates team' before (I think they are the same people) does not want to sign their messages. They do not want open communication. They want only to publish their press release styled materials. Who is fdf? Why do not write your name? What are you afraid of? This is a problem with the stories. I've got some e-mails with very strong judgements about Pune Resort. I wrote to authors, that if they want the article to be published it has to be published with some information about the author. It is clear for me that the author is fully responsible for an article or a message. But the author is hidden, the rebel who want to judge is afraid to say his/her name. How this relate to Osho or to rebellious spirit?

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Katha: RE:Censoring the message board.
WWW: www.oshorebel.com
Email: anuragkatha@gmail.com
Date: Aug 19, 2007, 8:06
Hi Nishkam,

start to see the joke...
A real Rebel can not do it right for everybody...
Trust in Deva Krishna's intelligents...
he too faces to be sued by the Resort...
the truth will come to the Light...
the truth will be seen...
trust in your inner voice...
and roar as a lion...
Love to you Katha.

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