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Ma Satya Priya: Reporting From The Osho Resort
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Anonymous: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort Date: Jan 23, 2008, 14:55 |
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Dear Sannyasins, First, I would like to say, that I bring a unique perspective to this argument; that of enlightenment. Yes, I am enlightened, but I also know that doesn't mean shit to any of you. What is my background? I am not going to tell you, because it wouldn't matter to you anyway. Osho did not leave us paradise. Osho did not leave us any enlightened people. If he did, come forward now and enter into this debate, or forever keep your fucking mouths shut! Calder, your basic argument against Osho is that he lied. Yes, I remember he lied, but let us put lying into perspective. What is lying? Lying is a human instinct. It evolved out of animal camouflage. When a tiger is stalking its prey, it uses camouflage to hunt. The hunt would not be successful without the camouflage. Without camouflage, the tiger would not exist. Now I put forward to you this theory. Without lying, Osho would not have existed, at least not to your consciousness. Calder, answer this question. Is what you are saying, that now you wished Osho had never entered your consciousness? Why did Osho lie? The man was 35 years old and a college professor. He spoke all over the country of India, speaking the truth. Do you know what it got him? nothing! Osho wanted to publish his speeches. He had no means to do that, so he had to devise a means. He saw people coming from the West. He saw people like John Lennon and George Harrison. He saw that it was the image of the enlightened guru that attracted people. Osho knew the guru was a false concept, but he adopted it anyway, because if he had not, he never would have published his speeches. Yeah, he tricked you, but only because you wanted to be tricked. Yes, he lied to you, but only because you wanted to be lied too. Calder, you mean to tell all of us that you have never lied? Everybody lies. Ok. We are human. That is our instinct. Now, about Osho being a criminal. Calder, you mean you never smoked a joint, you never j-walked, you never exceeded the speed limit in your car? You mean to tell me, that you never committed a crime in the eyes of others, the law, but you personally did not think it was criminal? Did Osho make mistakes? I would say he made one mistake right after the other. In the end nothing that he tried helped anyone to become enlightened. Why? Calder, there I think you might have a point. Calder, you wrote, "His presence was a gift of birth, his brain, his DNA. It was a physical gift, not a spiritual gift earned by the practice of meditation over lifetimes of effort. He won the DNA consciousness lottery, that is all. He was born that way, and he only had to wait for his central nervous system to fully develop to become 'enlightened.' " Being enlightened myself, I have also come to a similar conclusion, but with one basic difference. I accept my conclusions as assumptions, not facts, because I can state that I really do not know. Calder, you wrote, "Osho-Rajneesh had good intentions, but he did not understand his own neurology and the fact that his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul." If Osho did not understand this, I believe it was because he was misguided by all the enlightened people from the past, and their words that spoke to the contrary. The psychology of this is simple. I became enlightened, therefore, I assume others can become enlightened too. All enlightened people have simply been following logic. Unfortunately, logic does not always follow reality. Calder, you wrote, "...his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul." These are assumptions on your part. It maybe DNA based, but there is a simple argument against that. There is no enlightenment that runs in my family. Nor am I aware, in history, of any enlightened relatives of those who have claimed enlightenment. My best guess is that the soul does play a role in the development of the brain, and therefore consciousness. If you want the truth, most things are guessing. We do not know much, so we all use our imaginations to fill gaps in what we do not know. Now, are you going to fault Osho for giving it his best shot, and trying to explain things to you and himself? He was just sharing his best guesses on a lot of things, so the fuck what! It pains you that life is not so easy. Like getting a guru, a father figure, who has all the answers. You make so many assumptions in your critique of Osho. Now, here is where I know you are lying. I am enlightened, and I can tell you that I do not know whether I have a soul or not. I presume you are not enlightened, that means you have less consciousness than I do, but you still presume to know that there is no soul. I guess that anyone can wrongly believe an assumption. Am I right Calder? Now, Calder, you are all pissed off because Osho thought it was better to lie, than to be lost to history, because none of his work would have been published. Yeah, he sacrificed a few people along the way. Here is what pisses me off, Calder, if Osho's enlightenment was biological, like you said, then you bitching and complaining is also biological, and you would be bitching and complaining about something whether or not you had ever heard of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. It sounds like to me you have Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Go see a shrink. Get some chill pills. Get a real life. If your life turned out to be a disaster, it is your fault. I wasn't stupid enough to go see Osho. I knew he was lying. I knew the master/disciple relationship was a false relationship. I stayed home. I found myself a beautiful wife. The love she has given to me cannot compare to anything Osho could have given. I knew Osho could have never given that to me. What can only come from a woman. What the hell were you doing hanging around this guy anyway. Don't you like girls? Anonymous ____ _________ The Ten Myths of Enlightened People 1. Enlightened people experience God-Consciousness. 2. Enlightened people are incarnations of God. 3. Enlightened people do not suffer. 4. Enlightened people are not influenced by imagination, and they only experience truth, reality and beauty. 5. Enlightened people do not have desire. 6. Enlightened people are infallible perfect beings. 7. Enlightened people do not hate, and love everyone. 8. The Enlightened person's mission in life is to save others, and otherwise bring humanity out of suffering and lead them to enlightenment. 9. Enlightened people have infinite compassion, patience, benevolence and forgiveness for mankind. 10. Enlightened people become enlightened through meditation. |
