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Ma Satya Priya: Reporting From The Osho Resort
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An Osho Fan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort Email: Date: Sep 9, 2007, 16:48 |
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For the (now) signed off Christopher Calder i.e. ..and by the way..let's make it two. As an introduction, I wish to say this. Mr. Calder, I said earlier that you are "trying" to make an argument to prove that Osho was nothing more than a shrewd businessman who lied left and right to see that people (and exactly the sort he wanted) get attracted to him. What you have been saying all along in support of your view was some claims from whatever references you have given and almost all of which has been credibly refuted by Mr. Thomson. In addition to that you have stated to have heard first hand from some Ma Prem that Osho have had sex with her which in my view she could have been easily making up to attract attention and moreover because of some psychological tendency to make up sensational (but untruthful) stories, once again to attract attention. ( after all having sex you Osho definitely made you special) And as a plus with the above two you have simply (and many times so) vented your opinion that all of Osho followers/people who like whatever Osho said are chronic liers. (Very easy, whom you follow was a chronic lier because he kept contradicting his own statements from time to time, seemingly telling whatever suits the occasion at hand, so you yourself must be a liar. Well maybe you are not a liar, but the way you have visibly interpreted Osho's words makes it clear that you are anything but an intelligent person, someone who looks at the moon when it is pointed to and not at the finger. From how you interpret things, it seems very obvious to me ( someone born in 1976 and who learnt about and started reading Osho since 2003) that you are a person whose entire focus falls on the finger and not the moon. No wonder you have come to the conclusion that Osho was a liar in all respect, because someone who you think claims the finger to be the moon must be a liar.) And finally, you have, at point blank, thrown your view of "the brain theory of enlightenment" on all the readers of this sharing, without it having any significance to what was being discussed here but just to prove that Osho could very much have been an "enlightened" liar. To sum up, there are a thousand things that can be said (and very logically and (seemingly from what Mr. Thomson says) credibly so) against all that you say, but since you wish to leave the world of this sharing, "dominated-by-pathol ogical-liars"(what a coincidence! that only pathological liars all over the planet get attracted to the covers/titles of Osho books and start liking what he said ( to speak of people who never visited Puna or has met Osho but only know him thru his videos/tapes or books), you have saved me the trouble to find out meticulously all that I could have said against your claim and the proof you forward in it's support. But if you still, by any chance come visit this page just to see any additional posts ( as usual, made by some insane and lying Osho follower), here are two things I'd dearly like you to read: 1. Whenever Osho has said to you in person or in some video tape that he "had sex with 100s of women", did he specifically said that he was referring to his present life or that some of the women were his sannyasins..like saying "I've had sex with 100s of my sannyasins"? If he did not, I would think he was referring to the experiences of the innumerable former human births he has taken prior to this birth where he finally attained "moksha" ( the formal definition of liberation or "enlightenment" , the sanskrit word "moksha" means forgiveness or pardon..wherein the soul is pardoned from undergoing the suffering of having to be born as a creature in any level ever again). 2. You repeatedly talk about cosmic conciousness and also repeatedly talk about conciousness being a biological phenomena happenning in the brain. So where does "cosmic" conciousness come into picture then? does the cosmos have a brain? NO. Is any ordinary creature aware/concious of the cosmos that he/she dwells in at all times? YES. So what IS this "cosmic" conciousness that you claim some people can attain, because, you say, their DNA allows it to happen? My question is, what do you mean by using the term in the first place. To conlcude, just wanted to point out to you that "enlightenment" is not some fun state of mind to have or a superlatively pleasurable continuous state of being, as seems to be how you interpret it to mean. ( or else, I don't see any plausible reason, as to why, you, being a firm beliver of a single-life-from-birth-to -death theory would continue to have any interest in meditation or eligntement and so forth). An enlightened being has all the problem any ordinary being has. He grows old and dies like everybody else. Only an enlighted being does not suffer from any "diseases" (chronic allergy to something is not a disease or ailment as the Gautam Buddha puts it), or in short an enlightened being is free of all the seven "dukkhas" or sufferings the Gautama Buddha has listed out ( read 'em on the web if you don't know about them). "Enlightenment&q uot; rather means "moksha" ( a term first known to be used by Gautam Budhha to mean liebration or enlightenment) which I have defined above for you to mean freedom from all suffering, and hence, from the continuous cycle of birth and death (birth and death being the first two sufferings of the seven). So now, either you will change your belief about reincarnation, rebirth etc., or will change your interests from meditation, attaining enlightenment etc. ( because there is no possible gain for you therein given the definition and the surmise of the description of "enlightenment" or an "enlightened" state of being from a spiritual perspective, you being a believer of the single-life... theory), or will, with very definite malintentions of spreading confusion amidst masses, keep talking about your stupid brain theories and your interest in meditation at the same time. - A truth lover ( and of course, an Osho fan) Indrajit |
