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Ma Satya Priya: Reporting From The Osho Resort


Sw Satyaprem: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: arrowstone@wapda.com
Date: Apr 8, 2005, 0:56
To Ma Satyapriya..Happy to see your face and that all is well Highest Regards Sw Satyaprem......

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    Anonymous: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Date: Jan 23, 2008, 14:55
    Dear Sannyasins,

    First, I would like to say, that I bring a unique perspective to this argument; that of enlightenment. Yes, I am enlightened, but I also know that doesn't mean shit to any of you.

    What is my background? I am not going to tell you, because it wouldn't matter to you anyway.

    Osho did not leave us paradise. Osho did not leave us any enlightened people. If he did, come forward now and enter into this debate, or forever keep your fucking mouths shut!

    Calder, your basic argument against Osho is that he lied. Yes, I remember he lied, but let us put lying into perspective.

    What is lying? Lying is a human instinct. It evolved out of animal camouflage. When a tiger is stalking its prey, it uses camouflage to hunt. The hunt would not be successful without the camouflage. Without camouflage, the tiger would not exist.

    Now I put forward to you this theory. Without lying, Osho would not have existed, at least not to your consciousness.

    Calder, answer this question. Is what you are saying, that now you wished Osho had never entered your consciousness?

    Why did Osho lie? The man was 35 years old and a college professor. He spoke all over the country of India, speaking the truth. Do you know what it got him? nothing!

    Osho wanted to publish his speeches. He had no means to do that, so he had to devise a means. He saw people coming from the West. He saw people like John Lennon and George Harrison. He saw that it was the image of the enlightened guru that attracted people.

    Osho knew the guru was a false concept, but he adopted it anyway, because if he had not, he never would have published his speeches.

    Yeah, he tricked you, but only because you wanted to be tricked. Yes, he lied to you, but only because you wanted to be lied too.

    Calder, you mean to tell all of us that you have never lied?

    Everybody lies. Ok. We are human. That is our instinct.

    Now, about Osho being a criminal. Calder, you mean you never smoked a joint, you never j-walked, you never exceeded the speed limit in your car? You mean to tell me, that you never committed a crime in the eyes of others, the law, but you personally did not think it was criminal?

    Did Osho make mistakes? I would say he made one mistake right after the other. In the end nothing that he tried helped anyone to become enlightened. Why? Calder, there I think you might have a point.

    Calder, you wrote, "His presence was a gift of birth, his brain, his DNA. It was a physical gift, not a spiritual gift earned by the practice of meditation over lifetimes of effort. He won the DNA consciousness lottery, that is all. He was born that way, and he only had to wait for his central nervous system to fully develop to become 'enlightened.' "

    Being enlightened myself, I have also come to a similar conclusion, but with one basic difference. I accept my conclusions as assumptions, not facts, because I can state that I really do not know.

    Calder, you wrote, "Osho-Rajneesh had good intentions, but he did not understand his own neurology and the fact that his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul."

    If Osho did not understand this, I believe it was because he was misguided by all the enlightened people from the past, and their words that spoke to the contrary.

    The psychology of this is simple. I became enlightened, therefore, I assume others can become enlightened too.

    All enlightened people have simply been following logic.

    Unfortunately, logic does not always follow reality.

    Calder, you wrote, "...his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul."

    These are assumptions on your part. It maybe DNA based, but there is a simple argument against that. There is no enlightenment that runs in my family. Nor am I aware, in history, of any enlightened relatives of those who have claimed enlightenment.

    My best guess is that the soul does play a role in the development of the brain, and therefore consciousness.

    If you want the truth, most things are guessing. We do not know much, so we all use our imaginations to fill gaps in what we do not know.

    Now, are you going to fault Osho for giving it his best shot, and trying to explain things to you and himself? He was just sharing his best guesses on a lot of things, so the fuck what!

    It pains you that life is not so easy. Like getting a guru, a father figure, who has all the answers.

    You make so many assumptions in your critique of Osho.

    Now, here is where I know you are lying. I am enlightened, and I can tell you that I do not know whether I have a soul or not. I presume you are not enlightened, that means you have less consciousness than I do, but you still presume to know that there is no soul.

    I guess that anyone can wrongly believe an assumption. Am I right Calder?

    Now, Calder, you are all pissed off because Osho thought it was better to lie, than to be lost to history, because none of his work would have been published.

    Yeah, he sacrificed a few people along the way.

    Here is what pisses me off, Calder, if Osho's enlightenment was biological, like you said, then you bitching and complaining is also biological, and you would be bitching and complaining about something whether or not you had ever heard of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.

    It sounds like to me you have Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Go see a shrink. Get some chill pills. Get a real life.

    If your life turned out to be a disaster, it is your fault. I wasn't stupid enough to go see Osho. I knew he was lying. I knew the master/disciple relationship was a false relationship.

    I stayed home. I found myself a beautiful wife. The love she has given to me cannot compare to anything Osho could have given. I knew Osho could have never given that to me. What can only come from a woman.

    What the hell were you doing hanging around this guy anyway. Don't you like girls?

    Anonymous
    ____ _________

    The Ten Myths of Enlightened People

    1. Enlightened people experience God-Consciousness.
    2. Enlightened people are incarnations of God.
    3. Enlightened people do not suffer.
    4. Enlightened people are not influenced by imagination, and they only experience truth, reality and beauty.
    5. Enlightened people do not have desire.
    6. Enlightened people are infallible perfect beings.
    7. Enlightened people do not hate, and love everyone.
    8. The Enlightened person's mission in life is to save others, and otherwise bring humanity out of suffering and lead them to enlightenment.
    9. Enlightened people have infinite compassion, patience, benevolence and forgiveness for mankind.
    10. Enlightened people become enlightened through meditation.

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      p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Jan 24, 2008, 19:28

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        Anonymous: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Date: Jan 25, 2008, 14:41
        Fun!

        I enjoy!

        Speak more!

        Anonymous

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          p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
          Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
          Date: Jan 26, 2008, 10:39

          .christopher ......................... ..... calder

          .anonymous ......................... .... anonymouse

          .fun ......................... ................. boring

          .enjoy ......................... .............. hate

          .speak more ......................... ..... listen less

          ........... a rounding of rodents rhetoric ...........

          .anonymous ......................... .... anonymouse

          .christoph ......................... ........ schnelle

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            Anonymous: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
            Date: Jan 26, 2008, 15:06
            Puppet!

            Speak!

            I enjoy!

            Watching you do whatever I say!

            A god-like feeling!

            In control.

            Of you.

            Anonymous

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              p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
              Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
              Date: Jan 28, 2008, 11:37

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                p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
                Email:
                Date: Jan 28, 2008, 13:29
                Dear Sannyasins,

                First, I would like to say, that I bring a unique perspective to this argument; that of enlightenment. Yes, I am enlightened, but I also know that doesn't mean shit to any of you.

                What is my background? I am not going to tell you, because
                it wouldn't matter to you anyway.

                Osho did not leave us paradise. Osho did not leave us any enlightened people. If he did, come forward now and enter into this debate, or forever keep your fucking mouths shut!

                Calder, your basic argument against Osho is that he lied. Yes, I remember he lied, but let us put lying into perspective.

                What is lying? Lying is a human instinct. It evolved out of animal camouflage. When a tiger is stalking its prey, it uses camouflage to hunt. The hunt would not be successful without the camouflage. Without camouflage, the tiger would not exist.

                Now I put forward to you this theory. Without lying, Osho would not have existed, at least not to your consciousness.

                Calder, answer this question. Is what you are saying, that now you wished Osho had never entered your consciousness?

                Why did Osho lie? The man was 35 years old and a college professor. He spoke all over the country of India, speaking the truth. Do you know what it got him? nothing!

                Osho wanted to publish his speeches. He had no means to do that, so he had to devise a means. He saw people coming from the West. He saw people like John Lennon and George Harrison. He saw that it was the image of the enlightened guru that attracted people.

                Osho knew the guru was a false concept, but he adopted it anyway, because if he had not, he never would have published his speeches.

                Yeah, he tricked you, but only because you wanted to be tricked. Yes, he lied to you, but only because you wanted to be lied too.

                Calder, you mean to tell all of us that you have never lied?

                Everybody lies. Ok. We are human. That is our instinct.

                Now, about Osho being a criminal. Calder, you mean you never smoked a joint, you never j-walked, you never exceeded the speed limit in your car? You mean to tell me, that you never committed a crime in the eyes of others, the law, but you personally did not think it was criminal?

                Did Osho make mistakes? I would say he made one mistake right after the other. In the end nothing that he tried helped anyone to become enlightened. Why? Calder, there I think you might have a point.

                Calder, you wrote, "His presence was a gift of birth, his brain, his DNA. It was a physical gift, not a spiritual gift earned by the practice of meditation over lifetimes of effort. He won the DNA consciousness lottery, that is all. He was born that way, and he only had to wait for his central nervous system to fully develop to become 'enlightened.' "

                Being enlightened myself, I have also come to a similar conclusion, but with one basic difference. I accept my conclusions as assumptions, not facts, because I can state that I really do not know.

                Calder, you wrote, "Osho-Rajneesh had good intentions, but he did not understand his own neurology and the fact that his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul."

                If Osho did not understand this, I believe it was because he was misguided by all the enlightened people from the past, and their words that spoke to the contrary.

                The psychology of this is simple. I became enlightened, therefore, I assume others can become enlightened too.

                All enlightened people have simply been following logic.

                Unfortunately, logic does not always follow reality.

                Calder, you wrote, "...his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul."

                These are assumptions on your part. It maybe DNA based, but there is a simple argument against that. There is no enlightenment that runs in my family. Nor am I aware, in history, of any enlightened relatives of those who have claimed enlightenment.

                My best guess is that the soul does play a role in the development of the brain, and therefore consciousness.

                If you want the truth, most things are guessing. We do not know much, so we all use our imaginations to fill gaps in what we do not know.

                Now, are you going to fault Osho for giving it his best shot, and trying to explain things to you and himself? He was just sharing his best guesses on a lot of things, so the fuck what!

                It pains you that life is not so easy. Like getting a guru, a father figure, who has all the answers.

                You make so many assumptions in your critique of Osho.

                Now, here is where I know you are lying. I am enlightened, and I can tell you that I do not know whether I have a soul or not. I presume you are not enlightened, that means you have less consciousness than I do, but you still presume to know that there is no soul.

                I guess that anyone can wrongly believe an assumption. Am I right Calder?

                Now, Calder, you are all pissed off because Osho thought it was better to lie, than to be lost to history, because none of his work would have been published.

                Yeah, he sacrificed a few people along the way.

                Here is what pisses me off, Calder, if Osho's enlightenment was biological, like you said, then you bitching and complaining is also biological, and you would be bitching and complaining about something whether or not you had ever heard of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.

                It sounds like to me you have Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Go see a shrink. Get some chill pills. Get a real life.

                If your life turned out to be a disaster, it is your fault. I wasn't stupid enough to go see Osho. I knew he was lying. I knew the master/disciple relationship was a false relationship.

                I stayed home. I found myself a beautiful wife. The love she has given to me cannot compare to anything Osho could have given. I knew Osho could have never given that to me. What can only come from a woman.

                What the hell were you doing hanging around this guy anyway. Don't you like girls?

                Anonymous
                ____ _________

                The Ten Myths of Enlightened People

                1. Enlightened people experience God-Consciousness.
                2. Enlightened people are incarnations of God.
                3. Enlightened people do not suffer.
                4. Enlightened people are not influenced by imagination, and they only experience truth, reality and beauty.
                5. Enlightened people do not have desire.
                6. Enlightened people are infallible perfect beings.
                7. Enlightened people do not hate, and love everyone.
                8. The Enlightened person's mission in life is to save others, and otherwise bring humanity out of suffering and lead them to enlightenment.
                9. Enlightened people have infinite compassion, patience, benevolence and forgiveness for mankind.
                10. Enlightened people become enlightened through meditation.

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      Sumit Sharma: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: summitgautam@yahoo.com
      Date: Jun 14, 2008, 1:10
      Dear Anonymous,
      Not one point that you made on Osho in the context of his lying or his behavior or enlightenment is something out of the ordinary. These are basic things which we 'un-enlightened' people also know. So with your perceived enlightenment you should have helped us a bit more on this matter? Why don't you wear a t-shirt and that says 'I am as enlightened as Osho' and stand at Times Square in NYC and I will feed you crumbs. Bloody idiot don't proclaim your enlightenment again and again because the only one who agrees with you on that is you yourself. Also stop asking others to get a life as you need to get yourself a life. First get yourself a name and we can speak of enlightenment later, bloody cowara hding behind a cloak of anonymity!

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    jayadev: Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: jaya7dev@gmal.com
    Date: Feb 16, 2008, 14:46
    such simple matters ,such big arguments,

    may be there is a million alfabets in this whole website still those perfect words which could convey the real meaning was not furnished..

    his concepts still people could only dream about.

    oh i wish i could see him
    that great man
    the legend.

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shunyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: shrimayank@hotmail.com
Date: Jun 6, 2005, 15:14
Hi,
I know this post hardly deserves a play under this topic but I wanted to share my experience with some people I have known thru this post.
I 've been reading osho and other mystics since a long time and have also practices meditation to a point where the unusual has become usual to me. I thought I was moving in the right direction to know the ultimate thruth. But finally came across this article http://home.att.net/~medi tation/Osho.html by i dont know who, this has changed my belief into a mental disorder and all I think I have experienced till date seems like self hypnosis. I am standing in the middle of no where. Materialistic life on one side where I work with a leading Game development company and the spiritual life where I m to believe which is not present. I feel the need of a Guru. Someone true and real. Coz I ve been reading Osho, havent met him before . or the belief or he being the one can go low anytime, I call it easy to believe someone and easy to not believe. The information plays the part which is missing in my case. I need help before I take a decision which will take me in the wrong direction. Is he still alive in anyone of u, who cud be let me know what is written in the article is true or not?
HELP me

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    Devakrishna: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    WWW: www.giollomarco.vze.com
    Date: Jun 6, 2005, 16:05
    hi Shrimayank
    i been sannyas since 1976
    i was physically around osho all along until his death


    don't worry about this article
    that's Christopher Calder's article

    he is not a sannyas,
    he was NEVER there,
    so he does not have a fucking clue about anything, he never meditated and he mixes real historical stuff with his distorted judjements and fantasies
    making a huge distorted soup and confusing people like you

    i don't even want to go trough this article
    ... wich is on line sinse ages ...
    point per point
    to tell you what is truth and wath is not.




    with Osho this is happening all the time since he started teaching up to the point they had to kill him with thallium and radiations when he was put on jail like they did with Jesus, Mansoor, Socrates, and many other

    Shrimayank
    trus t your feeling about Osho
    and keep going with your meditations
    that's all i can say to you


    with much love and respect
    devakrishna

    h ttp://www.otoons.com

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      Christopher Calder: RE:RE:RE:Report ing From The Osho Resort
      WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
      Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
      Date: Sep 6, 2005, 8:24
      I was never there? I was Rajneesh's second Western sannyasin just behind Ma Yoga Prem. Check out a first addition copy of "The Silent Explosion." I came up with the title and wrote the introduction. My sannyasin name was Swami Krishna Christ.

      Osho people are the most dishonest and irresponsible people in the world. If your meditation does not even bring you basic honesty, then what is your meditation worth?

      I have a more recent essay on "The Ridiculous Teachings of Wrong Way Rajneesh" at:
      http://home.att.net/ ~meditation/wrong-way.htm l

      Regards, Christopher Calder

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        devakrishna: RE:RE:RE:RE:Rep orting From The Osho Resort
        WWW: www.otoons.com
        Date: Sep 7, 2005, 19:46
        my god!
        you really pissed with Osho!
        Still after all these years!
        What appened?

        "The Ridiculous Teachings of Wrong Way Rajneesh"

        whatz up Krishna Christ?


        devakrishna

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          Christopher Calder: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
          Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
          Date: Sep 7, 2005, 20:08
          Devakrishna,

          You have used the usual trick. You ignore the issue that you made a false post, a lie, and you then deviously try to portray my interest in truth as a character flaw. Truth has great value, and you have lied several times just on the posts presented here. Osho was never poisoned by the US Government, and that was fully covered on my Web page.
          -------
          "The rumor that Rajneesh was poisoned with thallium by operatives of the United States Government is entirely fictional and contradicted by undeniable fact. One of the obvious symptoms of thallium poisoning is dramatic hair loss within seven days of exposure. Rajneesh died with a full beard and no exceptional baldness other than ordinary male pattern baldness at the top of his head. Radiation poisoning, another fictional cause of his illness, also causes dramatic hair loss."
          -------
          As I have stated many times before, all Osho people are dishonest. You have to be fundamentally dishonest to still follow such a devious teacher who misguided so many people. Children do not understand the difference between fantasy and reality. That is the problem with what is left of the Osho cult. Those who remain in it are mental children who ignore facts and lie to maintain false myths. Myths get you nowhere, and Osho people will never face up to the facts. The moment they do, they are no longer Osho people.

          see also "Do you have a soul" at:
          http://home.att.net/ ~meditation/soul.html

          Regards, Christopher Calder


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            devakrishna: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
            Date: Sep 8, 2005, 17:26
            why are you so concerned with osho and his people?
            why so much charge with the man and with his friends?
            do you feel superior to him?
            do you feel superior to his friends?
            how can you put everybody in the same bag?
            it seems to me a have lak of basic intelligence.
            why so much energy to prove osho wrong?

            i am just wondering ...
            what happened to you?

            devakrishna

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            devakrishna: And because the coward do not answer
            WWW: www.otoons.com/gossips/disha.html
            Date: Sep 12, 2005, 13:29
            check about Disha's death,and see ...
            where your dishonest sannyasing are ...

            http://www.otoons. com/gossips/disha.html


            http://www.rupda.com/dis ha/

            probably you know her from Poona one, if it is true you also where a sannyasin and you where there, cause i can still not belive what happened to you, having so much energy wrighting so much garbage about Osho and pissing on everybody

            regards?
            wh at do you mean by it?


            Devakrishna

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        Nishkam: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        WWW: ulab.sannyas-on.net
        Email: nishkam@sannyas-on.net
        Date: Sep 16, 2005, 11:52
        Christopher, I feel sorry for your words. I think it is not very honest to show all Osho people as being the same. For me every Osho sannyasin is different. Here is a nice quote from the card I just took
        ------
        Detachment

        Go on feeling something in you that is the same no matter what happens on the periphery. When someone is insulting you, focus yourself to the point where you are just listening to him--not doing anything, not reacting, just listening. He is insulting you. And then someone is praising you--just listen. Insult-praise, honor-dishonor, just listen. Your periphery will get disturbed. Look at that also, don't try to change it. Look at it; remain deep in your center, looking from there. You will have a detachment which is not forced, which is spontaneous, which is natural. And once you have the feeling of the natural detachment, nothing can disturb you.
        ------
        If you would like to share your story I invite you to do it in this webzine. Just drop me an email.
        Love. Nishkam

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        P.R.: RE:RE:RE:RE:Rep orting From The Osho Resort
        Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
        Date: Oct 5, 2005, 12:46

        devakrishnachristcalder

        " you were never there "

        " i was second western sannyasin "

        you were never there

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          Christopher Calder: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
          Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
          Date: Oct 8, 2005, 18:47
          All Osho people hide from the truth. Rajneesh's/Osho's teaching were wrong and failed because he did not understand himself. Consciousness is a biological phenomena, not a spiritual phenomena. Below is a essay which explains this clearly.

          The Brain and Meditation

          by Adithya K.

          The brain is essential to human life, and when the brain dies, the entire physical body dies along with it. Even under deep sleep, the brain is active and aware, and able to direct functions as and when necessary. For example, the brain may create a fearful dream to wake you up if your body is threatened by danger, such as a lack of oxygen due to a difficulty in breathing. The central function of the human brain is awareness. Awareness is required to know things like boundaries, size, limits, identifications, and the sense of self and the sense of the other. Awareness itself has no intrinsic size, boundary limits, or any other attributes of its own. Awareness is required to know all attributes, but awareness itself can be nothing but just plain awareness. That is the pure awareness of meditation.

          The sense of time, the beginning and the end, the birth and the death, requires memory. Awareness always precedes memory. Awareness serves as the background, the base for memory, and memory cannot have any trace of its absolute beginning or final end. This makes awareness feel eternal.

          In reality, we experience everything: all the sights, sounds, visions, and smells of life inside the brain. Everything we feel and see are signals presented inside the brain, from neuron to neuron, in a web of billions of brain cells. When you look at images of distant stars and galaxies, those pictures are formed inside us, not outside of us. When you realign your focus on the very background of consciousness during meditation, you clearly see that all outside images are really inside images.

          The sensation 'I am Body' is itself an effort of the brain. Brain is our intimate personal reality, not the body. The brain is able to conjure up the idea of the body by repeated practice and focus. The brain can easily convince itself of being anything it wants to be. After all, there is no one else inside you to question it. The brain is the one that says “I am this!,” as well as being the final arbitrator of its own validity.

          Some may focus on a flower and convince themselves that they have experienced "flower consciousness." Others go further and convince themselves that they are a great savior, a saint, or a heroic world leader. Given enough focus and practice, the brain can convince itself of anything, because the brain is the final judge and jury of our perception of reality. Thus, we all live in different brain worlds of our own creation, and when those worlds collide, conflict and wars arise.

          The feeling of solidity of the body is generated by the brain constantly sending and receiving signals to and from different organs. The more frequent and stronger the signals, the more solid the body feels. Mediation is a way to relax the brain and quiet down its constant communication with the body, and it reduces the frequency of thoughts. As the brain relaxes and creates less noise and activity, the feeling 'I am the body' starts to dissolve.

          Scientists now understand through magnetic resonance imaging testing (functional MRI testing) that the part of the brain which gives us a sense of location in time and space is less active during intense meditation. With no sense of location, consciousness loses its boundaries and subjectively feels both infinite and timeless. The body may seem to completely disappear, leaving only pure consciousness in its place. That is death of the 'I.' During deep dreamless sleep, the same dissolution of the 'I' happens, but there is no consciousness to experience it.

          The feeling of clutter we often feel inside ourselves is the brain working too hard, thinking too many thoughts. The pragmatic working brain requires concentration on the utilitarian tasks of life. In meditation, peace and relaxation rule and the brain doing nothing expands its sense of being into the whole universe. Only the core, essential life-saving functions of the brain continue during the deepest meditation.

          Stress is the brain’s attempt to drive the body from one situation to another desired situation through the pathway of time. Thus, if you end desire, the acceptance of 'what is' brings an end to stress and creates the sensation of eternal timelessness. When the brain uproots its self-created need to do, there is total relaxation and peace. Finally, the brain is at ease and resting in its own essential being.

          Contentment is happiness. Joy is the content of the brain full of energy. Oneness and love come when the brain stops continuously promoting the sensation of 'I am this.' Bliss flows automatically when the brain loses any narrow sense of self-identification. What is left is billions of neurons flowering energy in the brain's primordial form. When the brain perceives no feelings of subject and object, the brain experiences an indescribable fullness, and emptiness. Devoid of object, yet completely full, the brain goes deeper than the sensation of 'I am!' There is no what, no which, no how, and no where;...as Hindus say, "not this, not that."

          Some may renounce the ordinary life and sacrifice job, society, and everything that requires effort to experience the depths of meditation. Reclusive monks and sadhus may prefer to sit in caves rather than make the brain work more than what they feel is necessary. Those who go deep in meditation often proclaim to the world that they are "enlightened," but that enlightenment is simply a brain gifted with the ability to consciously remain at rest. Mediation then becomes their default state, rather than a practice and effort. The identity dissolution of deep sleep now pervades all their waking hours. Relaxation, peace, and joy are the natural rewards of continuous meditation.

          The brain stresses and pushes the body and society to achieve its goals. It must constantly remember its goals in order to know what action is needed next to accomplish its agenda through the pathway of time. The brain may resent the present moment, the ‘what is,’ because it has not yet achieved its victory, which is not the 'what is' in its present form. When desire drops, so does the goal, the struggle, the conflict, and the dissatisfaction. With no fight against 'what is,' there is no specific expectation from life, no agenda, and that ends what Buddha called 'suffering.' That is the end of 'dukkha.' Even after all of this, however, the brain is still just a brain.



          Reply
        Sarlo: RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Email:
        Date: Oct 9, 2005, 18:41
        Okay

        I don't know if this is the first time Calder has come out with his sannyas name since putting up his scurrilous site, but it is good. Those of us who might be concerned with the authenticity of his objections to Osho have a right to consider his background.

        First, an excerpt from a letter from Osho to Sw Krishna Christ, in answer to his complaint about the name, reproduced from A Cup of Tea (letter 327):

        The ego is the seriousness, the disease,
        and the tao, the egoless existence,
        is the bliss, the ecstasy.
        That is why I have given you a name so absurd!

        But I have given it to you knowingly.
        I have given it to you so that you may
        never be identified with it.
        The name is so absurd
        that you will have to remain
        nameless and nobody behind it,
        and the name is such that
        not only others but you yourself
        will be able to laugh at it.
        Swami Krishna Christ!

        =-=-=-=-=

        I wrote elsewhere about KC / CC but thus far no specific feedback so i thought i'd try here as well:

        I had remembered a story about this ridiculous name, but associated it with another legal name, not Chris Calder but a German name, Walter Pfuetze, and i thought this is a pretty silly name too, Krishna Christ is not so much more ridiculous. A German friend told me that Pfeutze means puddle. Hilarious!

        Does anyone else know something about him? Is my memory accurate? I ran across this story about six or seven years ago and was quite struck by it, i think it made the rounds of Sannyas List or maybe a private bulk email. Is it possible that KC is not really CC and he is just making that up? It would be nice to expose that.

        Or even if true, perhaps this name is Calder's real beef. How could Osho do this to him?

        On the face of it Calder's main beef with Osho is that he didn't tell the truth. Osho's explanation of this is good enough for me, that he is yelling in our ears that our house, ie our self-prison, is on fire and we have to wake up and run out into the open sky. When we do that, we will see that the house wasn't really on fire but we will still appreciate his helping to wake us up.

        Obviously this is a matter of taste and won't appeal to everyone, but where is Calder's energy for this coming from to continue this crusade? What is the Big Deal?

        Sarlo



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          Christopher Calder: RE:RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
          Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
          Date: Oct 10, 2005, 5:12
          Sarlo,

          So truth is unimportant? You say my site is "scurrilous" but you know it is all true and you know that you cannot debate the facts because they are real, proven, and on the record. Osho people can only insult, dance around issues, use childish language, and whine about those who tell the truth. The Osho cult has become a cult of liars.

          When I first landed in India on November 19, 1970, my goal was to find truth, not to become the slave to a cult that had no respect for the real facts of life. Cheap thrills and communal group-think are not truth. You may feel better in a superficial way being part of a big lie cult, but that is not really going to help you or the world in the long run. You can use group energy to hide from the world, but the world will always overtake you in the end.

          My site is for those who care about what really is and for those who have no interest in being a secondhand person, tied to a cult leader forever.

          Christopher Calder


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          devakrishna: RE:RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
          Date: Oct 11, 2005, 18:49
          thatz exactly my question.
          what happen to KC/CC or WP (puddle)?
          what was the trigger?
          why so much energy to shit on Osho 4 30 years continuosly?

          that must hurt him inside somewhere ...


          devakrishna

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            loslarvati: RE: THANKS TO MR.CARVER
            Email: loslarvati@hotmail.com
            Date: Oct 17, 2005, 16:04
            THANKS TO CHRISTOPHER CALVER

            I am not a sannyasin. I m living in the osho way of life, some kind of. Anyway I like this site. It can approach me to osho people and give me the flavour of the man.
            I would like to say something about CC affair.
            Christopher is a present for me, and I think Osho would enjoy him very much.
            What CC is saying is a mixture of his experience with osho, his experience with himself, with interesting personal thoughts, theories, and kind of jealousy and paranoia.
            He says so many differents things that is difficult for me to speak about without making parts.
            1. EPITHETS:
            He says he is a follower of Rajneesh early years. He says he feels disgusted about what became the man later: A farce.
            But CC forget osho is completely agree with him:
            “All what I say is not the true, is only a poem: a poem that wants to help you to grown.”
            So, why to become angry with Christopher when he repeats and “proves” what osho himself have said yet. All that he can say about osho, osho has said it yet: “I m an ignorant”, “I never say the true”, “I have the most luxurious life any man had never”…
            2.PERSONAL HISTORY:
            About what CC says about personals accusations against Osho, well, that surprise me, but I didn t meet the man. Is hard to believe, for sure, but… Anyway, I think the point is that Osho is not an idol for me, and I think he didn’t want to become one for nobody. This is important, because an idol has to be investigated, cause he is what he sell. But osho didnt sell to me nothing: he offer to me tools to find my true inside of me. He helped me, and I cannot be upset if somebody who help me was not perfect. I don’t care! I don’t idolatrise him!
            That doesn t mean I don t care about the true history of the man. Is just that the history is not very important for me: I cannot be upset with Osho if he did something against his own way of life.
            So Christopher is accusing the manr far far away where I am. I see him exiting himself down down in the earth. My impression is that CC has enough problem yet. That s why I m not going to become angry with him, even if his mind would enjoy my angriness. I remember osho words when he was asked about people who were against him:
            “I just don t care. They are free to think what they want and to refuse my way of life. I also refuse their. But there is a little diference between us: I am not worry about them, but they are worry about me. That’s interesting.”
            3.THE OSHO’ S DIDACTIC WAY:
            "What you tell them is true, but what I tell them (the useful lies) is good for them." Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh 1975. Rajneesh calculated that the majority of the earth's population was on such a low level of consciousness that they could not understand nor tolerate the real truths. CC.
            This words prove that CC didn t understand the osho way of teaching. How can osho calculated such thing if he repeats all the time that there is no true to say. There is a true that cannot be transfer, that there is. So, why to speak if the true cannot be transfer? This is a question osho answered many times for us: “I speak not to transfer the true, I speak only to transfer the thirsty of true”. That was his way: he never answered to a question (there is not solutions because there is not problems!) he answer to who asked this question, saying what he think was better for him. This was his way: “don t think about me like a guru or a spiritual guide; think of me more like a psychologue”.
            4.THE WAY OF THE SCIENTIST.
            CC have said that Osho don t know himself, because all osho’experiences have a scientist explanation. The meditation is a biologic affaire, he assures, and the satory experience can be translate to chemistry and physic.
            CC see there a problem. Is strange because I m not able to see any problem. If to enjoy meditation you need a scientific explanation that calm your rationalism down, go ahead and find it. There is no problem at all.
            Science can help people like CC to understand themselves. Intelectuals always need a reason to enjoy life. I know that because I am an intellectual.
            But Science shouldn’t be used to destroy individuality, to destroy other ways of self-knowledge, because Science in itself (like Osho in himself) doesn t have any value. The only value is the personal experience. The experience is sacred. Nobody should come and say: “look, your experience is not right, look, I have proves! Your happiness is a farce: stop it right now!”
            But there is people like that. There is people who think Science is more important than any individual. People who think like that are not necessarily scientists, but for sure egocentric intellectuals.
            Charles Darwin, one of the great scientists in the history, said in his autobiography: “I understood early that Science was not an objective matter. Behind ciensce there was always the scientist.”
            Osho resumed: “Mathematics cannot explain the mathematician”.
            5. EGO WAR.
            Intellectual people have big problems to feel ourselves. And most of us would die before to admit the possibility of the existence of something like enlightment, something they never experimented. I know it well: I had a lot of problem to approach meditation. I had to go in the middle of a cleaning process. It was hard to empty my mind: I was overcrowd of ideas, and this is not the best way to enter in the dancing way of life.
            “What s up with CC? Why all this energy against Osho?”, ask somebody in the site. He must know. I cannot know, I can only guess. Cristopher must have tried, with osho or in his own way, but he could not enter in meditation. I guess this, because is the only explanation I can imagine. He could feel it maybe, and leave intellectuality to try this new way. But he could not enter in deeply. He fail. And his mind was, for sure, upset about it. Then he start the battle against his spiritual father. The intelectual warrior came back to destroy what he could not enjoy.
            CC has started a war of ego against his master. Because his ego could not become a sannyasin, because a sannyasin cannot be “the best sannyasin”. Each sannyasin is “perfect” in his individuality, and the ego need to fight, to fight to get anything but to fight.
            Reading CC I see clearly this fight. A completely chaotic fight. His arguments were sometimes very intelligent, sometimes very childish. There are a lot of non interesting things in Cris article (he has in a way some strangely conventional fears: “osho had sex with many young women the half aged than him”… So, what s the problem with this?). There are otherwise others that are very interesting: what he says, per example, about dynamic meditation seems to me very reasonable.
            6. DINAMIC MEDITATION:
            I m agree with CC: is too hard! I m myself 30 years old and in very good health condition, but ten minutes jumping holding the arms (phase 3) is too much, and for sure could be dangerous for some people. Cris says it wasn t like this in the beginning, that osho change it in the last years. Cris says osho did it with a sadist motivation. Maybe somebody can tell me about that.
            6. THANKS TO CC:
            But anyway, I have to thank Christopher to bring me the possibility of checking myself. Because, in fact, what s the point? CC is touching my doubt. This is the present he brings to me. Because sometimes is difficult to say if I still doubting. Do I doubt, or do I not doubt? Sometimes the doubt is so deep that is very difficult to see, and more if we are sourunded by positive condition, people who think like us, etc. But here he comes: Cristopher is here, helping me in order I improve myself. Thanks a lot.
            I want you to be sure I am not ironic:
            Cristopher, thanks a lot.
            I love you.
            J.L.Larvati.


            Reply
              Christopher Calder: RE:RE: THANKS TO MR.CARVER
              WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
              Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
              Date: Oct 19, 2005, 5:37
              My frustration is not with Rajneesh/Osho, who is dead and long gone, but with Osho people who just cannot tell the truth and lack the higher brain function needed to even understand the value of truth. I get letters every week from Osho people, one crazier than the next. A recent e-mail suggested that Osho disciples become “spiritual terrorists” to fund a new commune with illegal and possibly violent gangster activity. If Acharya Rajneesh could see the quality of the disciples he left behind he would be even more critical of them than me!

              If my Web site did not exist, how would the general public get the historical facts about Osho that the cult wants to cover up? The Web is full of phony Osho propaganda sites that simply ignore all the scandals and the history of the cult. Most of the tell-all books are out of print and hard to find. My aim has been to tell the truth and publish the facts FOR FREE on the Web.

              I never even think of Rajneesh/Osho unless I get a letter from an Osho person and either answer it or delete it, depending on how crazy it is. My motivation is just to set the historical record straight so that the mistakes of the Osho cult are not repeated again and again for all eternity. Unfortunately, fools never learn from history and thus America repeats Vietnam in Iraq. I spend most of my computer time fighting George W. Bush and American imperialism, not what is left of the raggedy Osho cult. I have never met George W. Bush, but I oppose his teaching and philosophy very strongly. Does this mean I am jealous of Bush or that I have some personal attachment to him? No! It means I am pro-earth and want this planet to be a better place without cults, without wars, and without arrogant nations like America that thinks it owns the world and can break international law any time it pleases, just because it can get away with it.

              Will the next big cult use germ warfare as the Osho cult did, chemical warfare as the Aum Shinrikyo cult did, or perhaps the next religious cult will graduate to nuclear warfare? Who knows? If human beings never learn that blind and unquestioning obedience to one “perfect Master” or leader is dangerous and anti-evolutionary, then we will only have more disasters.

              Christopher Calder


              Reply
                prem: RE:RE:RE: THANKS TO MR.CARVER
                Email: prem_anmol97@yahoo.com
                Date: Oct 19, 2005, 9:58
                Dear Mr. CC,

                All I have for you is a sense of gratitude and love, like our beloved Larvati has... not because you have successfully exposed him, but simply because you are doing his job, if looked upon carefully....

                I think I heard him somewhere saying... that once somebody is here he has to be here either way...

                Thanks for bringing that article on the web to help people get out of the web......

                with love.....

                prem


                Reply
                P.R.: RE:RE:RE: THANKS TO MR.CARVER
                Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
                Date: Oct 20, 2005, 17:04
                so you say

                " I spend most of my computer time fighting "

                you are " nowhere " to be seen

                www4.dr-rath-foundation.o rg/The_Hague/complaint/

                www.welltv.com

                www.i ahf.com

                www.holistiche althtopics.com/HMG/codex2 .html

                krishna .. christ .. christopher .. calder .. or ....

                " you " are nowhere to be seen

                " i spend most of my computer time fighting "

                so you say

                Reply
                Analy H.:
                WWW: help please!!!
                Email: anijah1@yahoo.com
                Date: Jul 14, 2008, 18:05
                i'm lossing my husband for this crazy religious cult. Could you please send more info about Osho.
                txs

                Reply
    Christoph Schnelle: Help
    Email: aaqws@hotmail.com
    Date: Jan 2, 2006, 2:51
    http://lanternlit.blogspo t.com/2006/01/osho-decept ively-harmful-guru_01.htm l

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Jivan Satyajit: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: jivan_satyajit@yahoo.co.in
Date: Oct 19, 2005, 12:28
Hi Christopher Calder, lets play argu-argu :D

Your earlier article "Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and the Lost Truth" was whatever strange and ridiculous might be, but kind of honest testimony of a disciple, who disagrees with his once master.

In my understanding it is utterly nonsense to pick few statements from Osho's more than 8500 hours of talks and evaluate him based on that. I can’t believe that a person like you, who knows him since ages, can do it. And funny thing is Osho himself never denied being contradictory, on a contrary he glorified it.

Whatever Osho spoke in his lifetime is well documented and all of us have our own understanding to accept or reject him, partially or completely. For me, he explained my questions to me; that’s all what matters. How he conducted his life and commune, what was his relations with his disciples etc, are just irrelevant.

Your hell-bend fight against post-Osho is so funny. It is more like, I enjoy sunbath under the soft morning sun; when the day grows and sun starts burning and I start accusing, shouting at sun, start collecting facts that how wrong the high temperature is for the humanity etc. I'll prefer to shift to the shade and thankfully goodbye the morning softness.

You might know how bad person Newton was? He was so infamous for using his office to harm the efforts of other scientists of his time. Does that really make Newton's law any less important? The same way how Osho's life goes doesn’t' really make his talks any less enlightening. It also depends how we see it; just say, the same Iraqi struggle is a freedom fight against occupant army for many, and it is terrorist insurgency for many others. May be Osho's calling himself Bhagwan (God) was an neurotic utterance form a maniac for you, but it is a brave revelation and guidance for many others to break the very definition of God.

Disagreeing with someone is very perfect, but knowingly misguiding is dishonest. For many things I disagree with him. In his view, being economically free and fulfilling all basic needs, the western society is ready to ask higher question. He assumed there may be an explosion of enlighten persons in countries like USA. But I don't think so; it is always individuals, east or west.
As he said somewhere "These all talks I am giving you are just toys"; when I am not agree, that toy is not for me (remember my agree is a toys also).

As oppose to the previous one, your new article "The Ridiculous Teachings of Wrong Way Rajneesh" is just a bunch of jokes. What are your arguments there?
Rajneesh once stated that "India does not need high technology."
How hilarious it is! His major disagreement with Gandhi was that, Gandhi is anti-technology. This guy, who is vigorously advocating, test-tube baby, cloning and all possible advance of science, back in 60's, when no one could even imagine to say yes; you are using this argument against him! How amazing. Here I am not trying to say that he did not say the above, but the context is completely missing from your article.
The other argument about "Tantra", do you really know what is "Tantra"? Your statement "Tantric practice of parents having sex with their own children". Are you out of your mind? Do you know there is not even a translation for the word "incest" in Hindi or any other Indian language, leave aside having sexual relation with own children?
Your another argument, "Rajneesh once stated that all wars would end by the year 2000 as the world would become so interdependent that war would be politically unacceptable". It’s impossibly unbelievable that you used such an optimistic observation against him. Isn't this observation true? Isn't it true that today USA is not bombing North Korea just as Iraq, because of this economical-interdependenc y with Japan, South Korea, China and Taiwan? Remember it is not a prophecy but an observation.

I can pick any point from your article and proof it a lie. I feel sorry for you that you spend almost whole of your life (I assume you are 60+ now) and collected these craps. Rather I'll say you are a real German, well determined to clean the Oshoit filth from the earth :D …… sorry guys :)

Here I am not trying to defend Osho or any one else. I don't think I have capacity or need to defend him. But it is my duty to oppose a misguiding misguided person :D

Any ways, your articles are certainly helpful, this way or that!

Love you, as usual :D


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    Christopher Calder: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
    Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
    Date: Oct 30, 2005, 18:32
    A. I am not "German." I am mainly British mixed with French and Swedish blood. My full legal name is Christopher Calder with no middle name. I was adopted and my birth father's name was John Johansen and my birth mother's name was Catherine Boyer. I am 1/8th Jewish, genetically speaking. I will be 56 years old next month.

    B. My public political editorials can be found at http://home.att.net/~medi tation/politics.html

    C . Before the last Gulf War one of my newspaper editorials was printed in a major Kuwaiti newspaper. The editorial called for the Kuwaiti people to not cooperate in Bush's war on Iraq, and I used some pretty tough language. The letter was translated into the local language and so many people read it that it caused a political stir, which not only upset the Kuwaiti Government but also US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. It became a news story on CNN and a CNN reporter asked Rumsfeld about my letter and he angrily yelled "It was not helpful." If all my hundreds of letters to foreign newspapers and foreign embassies trying to stop both of the Gulf wars did nothing but make Donald Rumsfeld angry, then at least I did something. That is the frustrating thing about world politics. Unless you are a major player you have little effect on the world. Besides voting, I don't know much else to do but write letters to people who can make a difference. The computer chat rooms and newsgroups are mainly filled with teenagers shouting at each other, so I view them as a waste of time.

    D. My essays on Osho are relaxed, honest, and fair. Their is nothing "hell-bent" about them or me. You see "hell" because I expose what you wish to cover up and ignore. It is not Osho's words that show his greatest faults, but his real life actions. Becoming a drug addict and living the life of a hypocrite is no small matter. Also, his teachings were simply wrong and untrue and based on self-serving lies and outdated myths. You can ignore all that but I cannot and the majority of the world looks upon him as a disgrace. Gurus should speak the truth, have just one face, and have no personal profit motive, otherwise they will only exploit and mislead their disciples.

    Christopher Calder

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      P.R.: RE:RE:RE:Report ing From The Osho Resort
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Nov 6, 2005, 15:43

      A. ..... describes how you 'cc' see " I " ....

      B. .... " political editorials " are " public " and are always " political "

      C. .... " the frustrating thing about politics " ..... " I don't know much else to do "

      D. .... politicians cannot " speak the truth " " have 'more than' just one face " " have a personal profit motive " 'and' " exploit and mislead by 'discipline' "

      christopher politician calder


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      sarito: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: sarito_ny@hotmail.com
      Date: Jan 21, 2006, 6:11
      One more time (thanks, Sarlo) it's worth repeating, and in its entirety this time. If the recipient of the gift didn't get it, perhaps the rest of us can.

      from "A Cup of Tea" by Osho

      327.
      Love.
      Oh, don't take life so seriously!
      Because seriousness is a great dis-ease,
      and not only a disease but a suicide also.
      Be playful -- totally
      because that is the only way to be living.
      Life is a play, a leela, and to know it so is religion,
      and to live it so is sannyas -- renunciation.

      If you can act and live as if acting and living in a dream
      and still be a witness to it
      then you will be in the cosmic flow, the tao.
      And to be in the cosmic flow is to be free --
      free from oneself, the ego.
      The ego is the seriousness, the disease,
      and the tao, the egoless existence, is the bliss,
      the ecstasy.
      That is why I have given you a name so absurd!

      But I have given it to you knowingly.
      I have given it to you so that you may never be identified with it.
      The name is so absurd
      that you will have to remain nameless and nobody behind it,
      and the name is such that
      not only others but you yourself will be able to laugh at it.
      Swami Krishna Christ!

      Oh, what a name!
      But perfectly suitable in a dream drama.
      is it not so

      So feel at ease with it.
      and laugh with it, and sing and dance with it
      and be SWAMI KRISHNA CHRIST with all the letters in
      capital!
      And always remember that you are nobody.
      And always be aware that
      you are neither a swami nor a Krishna nor a
      Christ --
      that is what is meant by a swami!
      And Krishna himself is not a Krishna
      and Christ himself is not a Christ
      because they are nameless, absolutely nameless.
      They are nobodies -- and that is what makes them divine.
      The moment one is identified with any name
      one is lost to one's divinity.
      Either one can be a name or a reality,
      and no one can be both simultaneously.
      Be a name really --
      and your reality is lost.
      Be a reality really --
      and your name is just a dream -- maya.
      And what nonsense to be a swami!
      But once one is at ease with the no sense one transcends it.

      Please! Don't try to be sensible
      otherwise you will never be with any sense at all!
      Because only stupidity tries to be sensible!
      The existence is absurd
      and meaningless
      and irrational
      and that is why it is so beautiful.
      And to be in it such a blessing!

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        Atmo Jayakumar: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Email: oshoatmatha@rediffmail.com
        Date: May 31, 2008, 23:34
        Beloved friend,
        Experiences cannot be brought into words, because words cannot contain it.

        When you go in you feel it, or else peripheral criticisms and formulas won't help.

        When your view point is wrong you will feel the whole world is a mess and lies.

        Calm down dear don't follow Osho just pass through it. Osho has created a wave that has affected you and me.
        Being in gratitude is the first step to mental peace and harmony. The moment you feel gratitude to everything around you, you will feel this world is beautiful, if not we have to make it beautiful.

        Remember we have only a short period in this life, so what is the point in wasting it for conflicts.
        with immense love,
        Atmo Jayakumar

        Reply
        Atmo Jayakumar: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Email: oshoatmatha@rediffmail.com
        Date: May 31, 2008, 23:37
        Beloved friend,
        Experiences cannot be brought into words, because words cannot contain it.

        When you go in you feel it, or else peripheral criticisms and formulas won't help.

        When your view point is wrong you will feel the whole world is a mess and lies.

        Calm down dear don't follow Osho just pass through it. Osho has created a wave that has affected you and me.
        Being in gratitude is the first step to mental peace and harmony. The moment you feel gratitude to everything around you, you will feel this world is beautiful, if not we have to make it beautiful.

        Remember we have only a short period in this life, so what is the point in wasting it for conflicts.
        with immense love,
        Atmo Jayakumar

        Reply
Carlos: HOla desde Peru
Email: noexistimos@hotmail.com
Date: Oct 22, 2005, 22:03
HOla, como estan?.. aqui tratando de leer los articulos... me interesa lo de osho.

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    Christopher Calder: RE:HOla desde Peru
    WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
    Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
    Date: Oct 30, 2005, 22:09
    "Hello, as they estan.. aqui trying to read the articulos... interests the one to me of osho."
    ----------
    Carlos,

    That is the Babblefish translation of what you wrote. I am sorry but I do not speak Spanish. My essay on Osho has been translated into Spanish and is on the Web, as are German, French, and Russian translations.

    By the way, my adopted father's name was Paul Pfuetze and he was the head of the religion department at Vassar College. He was half German, but I was not related to him genetically. He took me on a tour of Zen monasteries in Japan when I was 16 years old and often took tours of his students to India. In 1971 he took a group of students to Woodlands Building in Bombay and met Achayra Rajneesh face to face. That is why my name is listed in early books as Swami Krishna Christ, aka "Walter Pfuetze." I changed my name in 1976 to Christopher Calder because I don't like German names and was interested in the artist Alexander Calder. That said, I am not German other than the fact that I am white European and all white Europeans have Germanic blood in them. We all have African blood as well because we are all descendants of one woman in Africa who lived thousands of years ago. At least that is the predominant theory of the origins of man.

    Cheers, Christopher

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      P.R.: RE:RE:HOla desde Peru
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Nov 1, 2005, 16:31

      at least this is the predominant theory of the origins of calder

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        Christopher Calder: RE:RE:RE:HOla desde Peru
        WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
        Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
        Date: Nov 2, 2005, 21:46
        "Now the alternative to despair is courage. And human life can be viewed as a continuous struggle between these two options. Courage is the capacity to affirm one's life in spite of the elements which threaten it. The fact that courage usually predominates over despair in itself tells us something important about life. It tells you that the forces that affirm life are stronger than those that negate it."

        -- Paul E. Pfuetze--

        http://www.q uoteworld.org/author.php? thetext=Paul+E.+Pfuetze


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          P.R.: RE:RE:RE:RE:HOl a desde Peru
          Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
          Date: Nov 5, 2005, 12:07

          " and 'one' human life can be viewed as a continuous struggle between these two 'or more or less' options "

          krishna ... christ ... christopher ... calder ... paul ... e ... pfuetze ...........

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Shantam Prem: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: Shantamprem@hotmail.com
Date: Nov 6, 2005, 18:24
Dear Calder or beloved Krishna christ or jesus chirst (what does it matter),
Wihtout any doubt i will say, your essays are quite thought provoking. They are powerfull.
But i always wonder why you dont use the same yard stick with other alive or dead masters in the market. Jesus, Buddha etc we forget, they are very much wraped in the myth. A person like you will definately find the feet of clay attached to them too.
Let us say about J krishnamurti, or UG, or Sai baba or the new one like Ravishanker, Osho's sibling Shailandra and other 200 someones who have opened their satsang kiosks, If we have a perfect mark of ten, i bet Osho will be still on the top of the list, inspite of all the limitations mentioned by you.
Can you give lectures like him after having valium or anything. Even his lecture material was borrowed, do you know somebody who speaks and effects people in such a loving way.
Or tell us somebody who you think is enlighend and honest, whose words and deeds are in harmony?
love
Shantam Prem

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    Shantamprem: About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
    Email: shantamprem@hotmail.com
    Date: Nov 10, 2005, 21:35
    About the answer to my question about Mr. Cadler' intentions about Osho, Last year i had an e mail correspondence with Mr. Cadler, where He mentioned that He doesnot want to waste his energy with the small freis in the spiritual market.
    Thorugh this mail i want to convey to him that humanity doesnot die because of the lion`s bite but it is the virus coming from Bird`s flu kind of things which brings the maximum distruction.
    Inspite of all the negtive points mentioned by Cadler in His negative artical about Osho, His contribution about the human spiritual growth still remains the maximum.

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      P.R.: RE:About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Nov 11, 2005, 13:10

      " about the answer to my question about "

      as you also seem to "spend computer time"

      spend computer time with

      www.dr-rath-foundation.or g/The_Hague/complaint/


      www.welltv.com

      www.iahf.com

      www.holis tichealthtopics.com/HMG/c odex2.html

      you say that calder mentioned that "he does not want to waste 'his' energy with the small fries in the spiritual 'market' "

      answer that answer to you

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      anders: RE:About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
      Email: a.windisch@libero.it
      Date: Dec 26, 2005, 10:22
      You are perfectly right, humanity is endangered mostly by the need too many nourish to have someone tell them who they are and what they should do, instead than taking their responsibility for their own life and achieve the most difficult task: trust themselves and their own interior master. Keeping on projecting outside the quest for guidance ( and lost fathers, mothers and gods) feeds herds of gurus and life experts who inevitably turn their own personal quest to making a living ( when not to thrist for power) on needy disciples. What can happen is that the gurus stop moving on their paths and start sitting on thrones and the disciples get a comfortable ride on their back (for which they pay in cash or kind and devotion). The healthy inteaction which could help masters and followers to grow freezes too often against the unwillingness of the guru to accept true confrontation and the readiness of the disciple to follow without questioning.
      I agree with Calder, a guru can be undoubtedly 'enlightened', but is a man/woman like any other, they have more light and consciuosness, but are created equal and should never forget this. Any plant, animal and human can always teach them a lesson anytime and have the right to, because such is the great interactive game of life: One and greater that any guru or enlightened living being.


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        judy: RE:RE:About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
        Email:
        Date: Dec 26, 2005, 14:41

        you should, like calder, stay with catholicism

        where " words " such as yours and calder's are written to " agree " with each other



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          anders: RE:RE:RE:About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
          Email: a.windisch@libero.it
          Date: Dec 26, 2005, 19:27

          Catholicism? sounds OT here, actually I consider myself rather a rebellious pagan.
          I gather you don't like harsh and pointed words ( which anyway are rather uncatholic)
          so here's a little song for you

          Hi!
          Something's up something's down..
          something comes something goes..
          what's the pain what's the loss
          what's the use of pulling back
          once you start to move on?
          ups and downs is a point of view
          they don't decide for you..

          When you're master inside out
          not afraid of harm or joy
          when you see and touch and taste
          smell and hear and feel your heart
          there won't be no ups or downs
          but a whole new point of view..

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            ex Shanti: In Praise of C Calder
            Email: volumesgo@aol.com
            Date: Dec 27, 2005, 10:03
            Christopher I understand.

            I too was a long time Sannyasin genuinely searching for truth. I lived many years in Poona and was very close to Devageet and others.

            I have not read all the details of what you have written but for sure I agree with the main thrust and have come to understand what a harmful and deceitful person Osho was.

            It has taken a lot of courage for me to realise that I could have been so fooled for all those years - it is scary to know that what you thought was the most important thing in your life is so rotten. Seeing the truth turned my whole life upside down.

            Even when I realised that Osho was a liar and purposefully fooling people I still had great gratitude towards him as I thought that I had benefited from all those years.

            It took another level of understanding for me to drop the gratitude and realise that all those years were at the best a distraction.

            Anyway, I have no interest to get into this debate. I just want to let you (Christopher) know that there are others out there who respect your courage and understand what you are saying.

            You are very kind to attempt to help these people. I do not have the compassion for that but am sharing my love in other ways.


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              P.R.: RE:In Praise of C Calder
              Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
              Date: Dec 27, 2005, 14:32

              " ex " shanti ... like calder ... a politician

              your " searching " is as hollow

              as your " praising "

              as your " having no interest "

              as your " helping ' these people' "

              as your last arrogant sentence shows



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            judy: RE:RE:RE:RE:Abo ut Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
            Date: Dec 27, 2005, 13:57

            catholicism and paganism are both weeds

            you defined your words as " harsh or pointed "

            your song - points of view

            points of view - like catholicism and paganism



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              atmokamya: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE: About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
              Email:
              Date: Dec 27, 2005, 18:24
              Tahnks to you all. I had a real good time reading this! It seems to be a matter of interst. As you see in the name i am an sanyassin myself, my parents are too. but still i dont consider myself a headless follower of osho. He helped me in many situations and still does. I LOVE his books. He said many things i dont understand and many things i dont agree. So what? He also said so many beautiful wise things, that make my live better. For me it is totally matterless what live osho had, if he was crazy (what he must have been) if he took valium or whatever. If he teaches my things that make ME happy. The things I dont like he said i just forget. If it makes MY life more loving, more dancing, more enjoing - and dont hurt nobody. I dont know how this is with you, but osho nor the commune never asked any money from me nor hurt me in any other way. On the opposite! I still have my own head to think an my own heart to feel. I have to admit - i met a lot of stupid sanyassins in my live - and a lot of stupid christians and moslems and atheists. and i met a lot of honest friendly warmhearded sanyassins as christians and other... You get the point? Just enjoy you live. And happy new year to you all!!!

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