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Ma Satya Priya: Reporting From The Osho Resort


Sw Satyaprem: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: arrowstone@wapda.com
Date: Apr 8, 2005, 0:56
To Ma Satyapriya..Happy to see your face and that all is well Highest Regards Sw Satyaprem......

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    Anonymous: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Date: Jan 23, 2008, 14:55
    Dear Sannyasins,

    First, I would like to say, that I bring a unique perspective to this argument; that of enlightenment. Yes, I am enlightened, but I also know that doesn't mean shit to any of you.

    What is my background? I am not going to tell you, because it wouldn't matter to you anyway.

    Osho did not leave us paradise. Osho did not leave us any enlightened people. If he did, come forward now and enter into this debate, or forever keep your fucking mouths shut!

    Calder, your basic argument against Osho is that he lied. Yes, I remember he lied, but let us put lying into perspective.

    What is lying? Lying is a human instinct. It evolved out of animal camouflage. When a tiger is stalking its prey, it uses camouflage to hunt. The hunt would not be successful without the camouflage. Without camouflage, the tiger would not exist.

    Now I put forward to you this theory. Without lying, Osho would not have existed, at least not to your consciousness.

    Calder, answer this question. Is what you are saying, that now you wished Osho had never entered your consciousness?

    Why did Osho lie? The man was 35 years old and a college professor. He spoke all over the country of India, speaking the truth. Do you know what it got him? nothing!

    Osho wanted to publish his speeches. He had no means to do that, so he had to devise a means. He saw people coming from the West. He saw people like John Lennon and George Harrison. He saw that it was the image of the enlightened guru that attracted people.

    Osho knew the guru was a false concept, but he adopted it anyway, because if he had not, he never would have published his speeches.

    Yeah, he tricked you, but only because you wanted to be tricked. Yes, he lied to you, but only because you wanted to be lied too.

    Calder, you mean to tell all of us that you have never lied?

    Everybody lies. Ok. We are human. That is our instinct.

    Now, about Osho being a criminal. Calder, you mean you never smoked a joint, you never j-walked, you never exceeded the speed limit in your car? You mean to tell me, that you never committed a crime in the eyes of others, the law, but you personally did not think it was criminal?

    Did Osho make mistakes? I would say he made one mistake right after the other. In the end nothing that he tried helped anyone to become enlightened. Why? Calder, there I think you might have a point.

    Calder, you wrote, "His presence was a gift of birth, his brain, his DNA. It was a physical gift, not a spiritual gift earned by the practice of meditation over lifetimes of effort. He won the DNA consciousness lottery, that is all. He was born that way, and he only had to wait for his central nervous system to fully develop to become 'enlightened.' "

    Being enlightened myself, I have also come to a similar conclusion, but with one basic difference. I accept my conclusions as assumptions, not facts, because I can state that I really do not know.

    Calder, you wrote, "Osho-Rajneesh had good intentions, but he did not understand his own neurology and the fact that his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul."

    If Osho did not understand this, I believe it was because he was misguided by all the enlightened people from the past, and their words that spoke to the contrary.

    The psychology of this is simple. I became enlightened, therefore, I assume others can become enlightened too.

    All enlightened people have simply been following logic.

    Unfortunately, logic does not always follow reality.

    Calder, you wrote, "...his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul."

    These are assumptions on your part. It maybe DNA based, but there is a simple argument against that. There is no enlightenment that runs in my family. Nor am I aware, in history, of any enlightened relatives of those who have claimed enlightenment.

    My best guess is that the soul does play a role in the development of the brain, and therefore consciousness.

    If you want the truth, most things are guessing. We do not know much, so we all use our imaginations to fill gaps in what we do not know.

    Now, are you going to fault Osho for giving it his best shot, and trying to explain things to you and himself? He was just sharing his best guesses on a lot of things, so the fuck what!

    It pains you that life is not so easy. Like getting a guru, a father figure, who has all the answers.

    You make so many assumptions in your critique of Osho.

    Now, here is where I know you are lying. I am enlightened, and I can tell you that I do not know whether I have a soul or not. I presume you are not enlightened, that means you have less consciousness than I do, but you still presume to know that there is no soul.

    I guess that anyone can wrongly believe an assumption. Am I right Calder?

    Now, Calder, you are all pissed off because Osho thought it was better to lie, than to be lost to history, because none of his work would have been published.

    Yeah, he sacrificed a few people along the way.

    Here is what pisses me off, Calder, if Osho's enlightenment was biological, like you said, then you bitching and complaining is also biological, and you would be bitching and complaining about something whether or not you had ever heard of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.

    It sounds like to me you have Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Go see a shrink. Get some chill pills. Get a real life.

    If your life turned out to be a disaster, it is your fault. I wasn't stupid enough to go see Osho. I knew he was lying. I knew the master/disciple relationship was a false relationship.

    I stayed home. I found myself a beautiful wife. The love she has given to me cannot compare to anything Osho could have given. I knew Osho could have never given that to me. What can only come from a woman.

    What the hell were you doing hanging around this guy anyway. Don't you like girls?

    Anonymous
    ____ _________

    The Ten Myths of Enlightened People

    1. Enlightened people experience God-Consciousness.
    2. Enlightened people are incarnations of God.
    3. Enlightened people do not suffer.
    4. Enlightened people are not influenced by imagination, and they only experience truth, reality and beauty.
    5. Enlightened people do not have desire.
    6. Enlightened people are infallible perfect beings.
    7. Enlightened people do not hate, and love everyone.
    8. The Enlightened person's mission in life is to save others, and otherwise bring humanity out of suffering and lead them to enlightenment.
    9. Enlightened people have infinite compassion, patience, benevolence and forgiveness for mankind.
    10. Enlightened people become enlightened through meditation.

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      p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Jan 24, 2008, 19:28

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        Anonymous: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Date: Jan 25, 2008, 14:41
        Fun!

        I enjoy!

        Speak more!

        Anonymous

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          p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
          Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
          Date: Jan 26, 2008, 10:39

          .christopher ......................... ..... calder

          .anonymous ......................... .... anonymouse

          .fun ......................... ................. boring

          .enjoy ......................... .............. hate

          .speak more ......................... ..... listen less

          ........... a rounding of rodents rhetoric ...........

          .anonymous ......................... .... anonymouse

          .christoph ......................... ........ schnelle

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            Anonymous: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
            Date: Jan 26, 2008, 15:06
            Puppet!

            Speak!

            I enjoy!

            Watching you do whatever I say!

            A god-like feeling!

            In control.

            Of you.

            Anonymous

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              p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
              Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
              Date: Jan 28, 2008, 11:37

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                p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
                Email:
                Date: Jan 28, 2008, 13:29
                Dear Sannyasins,

                First, I would like to say, that I bring a unique perspective to this argument; that of enlightenment. Yes, I am enlightened, but I also know that doesn't mean shit to any of you.

                What is my background? I am not going to tell you, because
                it wouldn't matter to you anyway.

                Osho did not leave us paradise. Osho did not leave us any enlightened people. If he did, come forward now and enter into this debate, or forever keep your fucking mouths shut!

                Calder, your basic argument against Osho is that he lied. Yes, I remember he lied, but let us put lying into perspective.

                What is lying? Lying is a human instinct. It evolved out of animal camouflage. When a tiger is stalking its prey, it uses camouflage to hunt. The hunt would not be successful without the camouflage. Without camouflage, the tiger would not exist.

                Now I put forward to you this theory. Without lying, Osho would not have existed, at least not to your consciousness.

                Calder, answer this question. Is what you are saying, that now you wished Osho had never entered your consciousness?

                Why did Osho lie? The man was 35 years old and a college professor. He spoke all over the country of India, speaking the truth. Do you know what it got him? nothing!

                Osho wanted to publish his speeches. He had no means to do that, so he had to devise a means. He saw people coming from the West. He saw people like John Lennon and George Harrison. He saw that it was the image of the enlightened guru that attracted people.

                Osho knew the guru was a false concept, but he adopted it anyway, because if he had not, he never would have published his speeches.

                Yeah, he tricked you, but only because you wanted to be tricked. Yes, he lied to you, but only because you wanted to be lied too.

                Calder, you mean to tell all of us that you have never lied?

                Everybody lies. Ok. We are human. That is our instinct.

                Now, about Osho being a criminal. Calder, you mean you never smoked a joint, you never j-walked, you never exceeded the speed limit in your car? You mean to tell me, that you never committed a crime in the eyes of others, the law, but you personally did not think it was criminal?

                Did Osho make mistakes? I would say he made one mistake right after the other. In the end nothing that he tried helped anyone to become enlightened. Why? Calder, there I think you might have a point.

                Calder, you wrote, "His presence was a gift of birth, his brain, his DNA. It was a physical gift, not a spiritual gift earned by the practice of meditation over lifetimes of effort. He won the DNA consciousness lottery, that is all. He was born that way, and he only had to wait for his central nervous system to fully develop to become 'enlightened.' "

                Being enlightened myself, I have also come to a similar conclusion, but with one basic difference. I accept my conclusions as assumptions, not facts, because I can state that I really do not know.

                Calder, you wrote, "Osho-Rajneesh had good intentions, but he did not understand his own neurology and the fact that his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul."

                If Osho did not understand this, I believe it was because he was misguided by all the enlightened people from the past, and their words that spoke to the contrary.

                The psychology of this is simple. I became enlightened, therefore, I assume others can become enlightened too.

                All enlightened people have simply been following logic.

                Unfortunately, logic does not always follow reality.

                Calder, you wrote, "...his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul."

                These are assumptions on your part. It maybe DNA based, but there is a simple argument against that. There is no enlightenment that runs in my family. Nor am I aware, in history, of any enlightened relatives of those who have claimed enlightenment.

                My best guess is that the soul does play a role in the development of the brain, and therefore consciousness.

                If you want the truth, most things are guessing. We do not know much, so we all use our imaginations to fill gaps in what we do not know.

                Now, are you going to fault Osho for giving it his best shot, and trying to explain things to you and himself? He was just sharing his best guesses on a lot of things, so the fuck what!

                It pains you that life is not so easy. Like getting a guru, a father figure, who has all the answers.

                You make so many assumptions in your critique of Osho.

                Now, here is where I know you are lying. I am enlightened, and I can tell you that I do not know whether I have a soul or not. I presume you are not enlightened, that means you have less consciousness than I do, but you still presume to know that there is no soul.

                I guess that anyone can wrongly believe an assumption. Am I right Calder?

                Now, Calder, you are all pissed off because Osho thought it was better to lie, than to be lost to history, because none of his work would have been published.

                Yeah, he sacrificed a few people along the way.

                Here is what pisses me off, Calder, if Osho's enlightenment was biological, like you said, then you bitching and complaining is also biological, and you would be bitching and complaining about something whether or not you had ever heard of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.

                It sounds like to me you have Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Go see a shrink. Get some chill pills. Get a real life.

                If your life turned out to be a disaster, it is your fault. I wasn't stupid enough to go see Osho. I knew he was lying. I knew the master/disciple relationship was a false relationship.

                I stayed home. I found myself a beautiful wife. The love she has given to me cannot compare to anything Osho could have given. I knew Osho could have never given that to me. What can only come from a woman.

                What the hell were you doing hanging around this guy anyway. Don't you like girls?

                Anonymous
                ____ _________

                The Ten Myths of Enlightened People

                1. Enlightened people experience God-Consciousness.
                2. Enlightened people are incarnations of God.
                3. Enlightened people do not suffer.
                4. Enlightened people are not influenced by imagination, and they only experience truth, reality and beauty.
                5. Enlightened people do not have desire.
                6. Enlightened people are infallible perfect beings.
                7. Enlightened people do not hate, and love everyone.
                8. The Enlightened person's mission in life is to save others, and otherwise bring humanity out of suffering and lead them to enlightenment.
                9. Enlightened people have infinite compassion, patience, benevolence and forgiveness for mankind.
                10. Enlightened people become enlightened through meditation.

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      Sumit Sharma: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: summitgautam@yahoo.com
      Date: Jun 14, 2008, 1:10
      Dear Anonymous,
      Not one point that you made on Osho in the context of his lying or his behavior or enlightenment is something out of the ordinary. These are basic things which we 'un-enlightened' people also know. So with your perceived enlightenment you should have helped us a bit more on this matter? Why don't you wear a t-shirt and that says 'I am as enlightened as Osho' and stand at Times Square in NYC and I will feed you crumbs. Bloody idiot don't proclaim your enlightenment again and again because the only one who agrees with you on that is you yourself. Also stop asking others to get a life as you need to get yourself a life. First get yourself a name and we can speak of enlightenment later, bloody cowara hding behind a cloak of anonymity!

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    jayadev: Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: jaya7dev@gmal.com
    Date: Feb 16, 2008, 14:46
    such simple matters ,such big arguments,

    may be there is a million alfabets in this whole website still those perfect words which could convey the real meaning was not furnished..

    his concepts still people could only dream about.

    oh i wish i could see him
    that great man
    the legend.

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shunyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: shrimayank@hotmail.com
Date: Jun 6, 2005, 15:14
Hi,
I know this post hardly deserves a play under this topic but I wanted to share my experience with some people I have known thru this post.
I 've been reading osho and other mystics since a long time and have also practices meditation to a point where the unusual has become usual to me. I thought I was moving in the right direction to know the ultimate thruth. But finally came across this article http://home.att.net/~medi tation/Osho.html by i dont know who, this has changed my belief into a mental disorder and all I think I have experienced till date seems like self hypnosis. I am standing in the middle of no where. Materialistic life on one side where I work with a leading Game development company and the spiritual life where I m to believe which is not present. I feel the need of a Guru. Someone true and real. Coz I ve been reading Osho, havent met him before . or the belief or he being the one can go low anytime, I call it easy to believe someone and easy to not believe. The information plays the part which is missing in my case. I need help before I take a decision which will take me in the wrong direction. Is he still alive in anyone of u, who cud be let me know what is written in the article is true or not?
HELP me

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    Devakrishna: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    WWW: www.giollomarco.vze.com
    Date: Jun 6, 2005, 16:05
    hi Shrimayank
    i been sannyas since 1976
    i was physically around osho all along until his death


    don't worry about this article
    that's Christopher Calder's article

    he is not a sannyas,
    he was NEVER there,
    so he does not have a fucking clue about anything, he never meditated and he mixes real historical stuff with his distorted judjements and fantasies
    making a huge distorted soup and confusing people like you

    i don't even want to go trough this article
    ... wich is on line sinse ages ...
    point per point
    to tell you what is truth and wath is not.




    with Osho this is happening all the time since he started teaching up to the point they had to kill him with thallium and radiations when he was put on jail like they did with Jesus, Mansoor, Socrates, and many other

    Shrimayank
    trus t your feeling about Osho
    and keep going with your meditations
    that's all i can say to you


    with much love and respect
    devakrishna

    h ttp://www.otoons.com

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      Christopher Calder: RE:RE:RE:Report ing From The Osho Resort
      WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
      Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
      Date: Sep 6, 2005, 8:24
      I was never there? I was Rajneesh's second Western sannyasin just behind Ma Yoga Prem. Check out a first addition copy of "The Silent Explosion." I came up with the title and wrote the introduction. My sannyasin name was Swami Krishna Christ.

      Osho people are the most dishonest and irresponsible people in the world. If your meditation does not even bring you basic honesty, then what is your meditation worth?

      I have a more recent essay on "The Ridiculous Teachings of Wrong Way Rajneesh" at:
      http://home.att.net/ ~meditation/wrong-way.htm l

      Regards, Christopher Calder

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        devakrishna: RE:RE:RE:RE:Rep orting From The Osho Resort
        WWW: www.otoons.com
        Date: Sep 7, 2005, 19:46
        my god!
        you really pissed with Osho!
        Still after all these years!
        What appened?

        "The Ridiculous Teachings of Wrong Way Rajneesh"

        whatz up Krishna Christ?


        devakrishna

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          Christopher Calder: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
          Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
          Date: Sep 7, 2005, 20:08
          Devakrishna,

          You have used the usual trick. You ignore the issue that you made a false post, a lie, and you then deviously try to portray my interest in truth as a character flaw. Truth has great value, and you have lied several times just on the posts presented here. Osho was never poisoned by the US Government, and that was fully covered on my Web page.
          -------
          "The rumor that Rajneesh was poisoned with thallium by operatives of the United States Government is entirely fictional and contradicted by undeniable fact. One of the obvious symptoms of thallium poisoning is dramatic hair loss within seven days of exposure. Rajneesh died with a full beard and no exceptional baldness other than ordinary male pattern baldness at the top of his head. Radiation poisoning, another fictional cause of his illness, also causes dramatic hair loss."
          -------
          As I have stated many times before, all Osho people are dishonest. You have to be fundamentally dishonest to still follow such a devious teacher who misguided so many people. Children do not understand the difference between fantasy and reality. That is the problem with what is left of the Osho cult. Those who remain in it are mental children who ignore facts and lie to maintain false myths. Myths get you nowhere, and Osho people will never face up to the facts. The moment they do, they are no longer Osho people.

          see also "Do you have a soul" at:
          http://home.att.net/ ~meditation/soul.html

          Regards, Christopher Calder


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            devakrishna: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
            Date: Sep 8, 2005, 17:26
            why are you so concerned with osho and his people?
            why so much charge with the man and with his friends?
            do you feel superior to him?
            do you feel superior to his friends?
            how can you put everybody in the same bag?
            it seems to me a have lak of basic intelligence.
            why so much energy to prove osho wrong?

            i am just wondering ...
            what happened to you?

            devakrishna

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            devakrishna: And because the coward do not answer
            WWW: www.otoons.com/gossips/disha.html
            Date: Sep 12, 2005, 13:29
            check about Disha's death,and see ...
            where your dishonest sannyasing are ...

            http://www.otoons. com/gossips/disha.html


            http://www.rupda.com/dis ha/

            probably you know her from Poona one, if it is true you also where a sannyasin and you where there, cause i can still not belive what happened to you, having so much energy wrighting so much garbage about Osho and pissing on everybody

            regards?
            wh at do you mean by it?


            Devakrishna

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        Nishkam: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        WWW: ulab.sannyas-on.net
        Email: nishkam@sannyas-on.net
        Date: Sep 16, 2005, 11:52
        Christopher, I feel sorry for your words. I think it is not very honest to show all Osho people as being the same. For me every Osho sannyasin is different. Here is a nice quote from the card I just took
        ------
        Detachment

        Go on feeling something in you that is the same no matter what happens on the periphery. When someone is insulting you, focus yourself to the point where you are just listening to him--not doing anything, not reacting, just listening. He is insulting you. And then someone is praising you--just listen. Insult-praise, honor-dishonor, just listen. Your periphery will get disturbed. Look at that also, don't try to change it. Look at it; remain deep in your center, looking from there. You will have a detachment which is not forced, which is spontaneous, which is natural. And once you have the feeling of the natural detachment, nothing can disturb you.
        ------
        If you would like to share your story I invite you to do it in this webzine. Just drop me an email.
        Love. Nishkam

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        P.R.: RE:RE:RE:RE:Rep orting From The Osho Resort
        Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
        Date: Oct 5, 2005, 12:46

        devakrishnachristcalder

        " you were never there "

        " i was second western sannyasin "

        you were never there

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          Christopher Calder: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
          Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
          Date: Oct 8, 2005, 18:47
          All Osho people hide from the truth. Rajneesh's/Osho's teaching were wrong and failed because he did not understand himself. Consciousness is a biological phenomena, not a spiritual phenomena. Below is a essay which explains this clearly.

          The Brain and Meditation

          by Adithya K.

          The brain is essential to human life, and when the brain dies, the entire physical body dies along with it. Even under deep sleep, the brain is active and aware, and able to direct functions as and when necessary. For example, the brain may create a fearful dream to wake you up if your body is threatened by danger, such as a lack of oxygen due to a difficulty in breathing. The central function of the human brain is awareness. Awareness is required to know things like boundaries, size, limits, identifications, and the sense of self and the sense of the other. Awareness itself has no intrinsic size, boundary limits, or any other attributes of its own. Awareness is required to know all attributes, but awareness itself can be nothing but just plain awareness. That is the pure awareness of meditation.

          The sense of time, the beginning and the end, the birth and the death, requires memory. Awareness always precedes memory. Awareness serves as the background, the base for memory, and memory cannot have any trace of its absolute beginning or final end. This makes awareness feel eternal.

          In reality, we experience everything: all the sights, sounds, visions, and smells of life inside the brain. Everything we feel and see are signals presented inside the brain, from neuron to neuron, in a web of billions of brain cells. When you look at images of distant stars and galaxies, those pictures are formed inside us, not outside of us. When you realign your focus on the very background of consciousness during meditation, you clearly see that all outside images are really inside images.

          The sensation 'I am Body' is itself an effort of the brain. Brain is our intimate personal reality, not the body. The brain is able to conjure up the idea of the body by repeated practice and focus. The brain can easily convince itself of being anything it wants to be. After all, there is no one else inside you to question it. The brain is the one that says “I am this!,” as well as being the final arbitrator of its own validity.

          Some may focus on a flower and convince themselves that they have experienced "flower consciousness." Others go further and convince themselves that they are a great savior, a saint, or a heroic world leader. Given enough focus and practice, the brain can convince itself of anything, because the brain is the final judge and jury of our perception of reality. Thus, we all live in different brain worlds of our own creation, and when those worlds collide, conflict and wars arise.

          The feeling of solidity of the body is generated by the brain constantly sending and receiving signals to and from different organs. The more frequent and stronger the signals, the more solid the body feels. Mediation is a way to relax the brain and quiet down its constant communication with the body, and it reduces the frequency of thoughts. As the brain relaxes and creates less noise and activity, the feeling 'I am the body' starts to dissolve.

          Scientists now understand through magnetic resonance imaging testing (functional MRI testing) that the part of the brain which gives us a sense of location in time and space is less active during intense meditation. With no sense of location, consciousness loses its boundaries and subjectively feels both infinite and timeless. The body may seem to completely disappear, leaving only pure consciousness in its place. That is death of the 'I.' During deep dreamless sleep, the same dissolution of the 'I' happens, but there is no consciousness to experience it.

          The feeling of clutter we often feel inside ourselves is the brain working too hard, thinking too many thoughts. The pragmatic working brain requires concentration on the utilitarian tasks of life. In meditation, peace and relaxation rule and the brain doing nothing expands its sense of being into the whole universe. Only the core, essential life-saving functions of the brain continue during the deepest meditation.

          Stress is the brain’s attempt to drive the body from one situation to another desired situation through the pathway of time. Thus, if you end desire, the acceptance of 'what is' brings an end to stress and creates the sensation of eternal timelessness. When the brain uproots its self-created need to do, there is total relaxation and peace. Finally, the brain is at ease and resting in its own essential being.

          Contentment is happiness. Joy is the content of the brain full of energy. Oneness and love come when the brain stops continuously promoting the sensation of 'I am this.' Bliss flows automatically when the brain loses any narrow sense of self-identification. What is left is billions of neurons flowering energy in the brain's primordial form. When the brain perceives no feelings of subject and object, the brain experiences an indescribable fullness, and emptiness. Devoid of object, yet completely full, the brain goes deeper than the sensation of 'I am!' There is no what, no which, no how, and no where;...as Hindus say, "not this, not that."

          Some may renounce the ordinary life and sacrifice job, society, and everything that requires effort to experience the depths of meditation. Reclusive monks and sadhus may prefer to sit in caves rather than make the brain work more than what they feel is necessary. Those who go deep in meditation often proclaim to the world that they are "enlightened," but that enlightenment is simply a brain gifted with the ability to consciously remain at rest. Mediation then becomes their default state, rather than a practice and effort. The identity dissolution of deep sleep now pervades all their waking hours. Relaxation, peace, and joy are the natural rewards of continuous meditation.

          The brain stresses and pushes the body and society to achieve its goals. It must constantly remember its goals in order to know what action is needed next to accomplish its agenda through the pathway of time. The brain may resent the present moment, the ?what is,’ because it has not yet achieved its victory, which is not the 'what is' in its present form. When desire drops, so does the goal, the struggle, the conflict, and the dissatisfaction. With no fight against 'what is,' there is no specific expectation from life, no agenda, and that ends what Buddha called 'suffering.' That is the end of 'dukkha.' Even after all of this, however, the brain is still just a brain.



          Reply
        Sarlo: RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Email:
        Date: Oct 9, 2005, 18:41
        Okay

        I don't know if this is the first time Calder has come out with his sannyas name since putting up his scurrilous site, but it is good. Those of us who might be concerned with the authenticity of his objections to Osho have a right to consider his background.

        First, an excerpt from a letter from Osho to Sw Krishna Christ, in answer to his complaint about the name, reproduced from A Cup of Tea (letter 327):

        The ego is the seriousness, the disease,
        and the tao, the egoless existence,
        is the bliss, the ecstasy.
        That is why I have given you a name so absurd!

        But I have given it to you knowingly.
        I have given it to you so that you may
        never be identified with it.
        The name is so absurd
        that you will have to remain
        nameless and nobody behind it,
        and the name is such that
        not only others but you yourself
        will be able to laugh at it.
        Swami Krishna Christ!

        =-=-=-=-=

        I wrote elsewhere about KC / CC but thus far no specific feedback so i thought i'd try here as well:

        I had remembered a story about this ridiculous name, but associated it with another legal name, not Chris Calder but a German name, Walter Pfuetze, and i thought this is a pretty silly name too, Krishna Christ is not so much more ridiculous. A German friend told me that Pfeutze means puddle. Hilarious!

        Does anyone else know something about him? Is my memory accurate? I ran across this story about six or seven years ago and was quite struck by it, i think it made the rounds of Sannyas List or maybe a private bulk email. Is it possible that KC is not really CC and he is just making that up? It would be nice to expose that.

        Or even if true, perhaps this name is Calder's real beef. How could Osho do this to him?

        On the face of it Calder's main beef with Osho is that he didn't tell the truth. Osho's explanation of this is good enough for me, that he is yelling in our ears that our house, ie our self-prison, is on fire and we have to wake up and run out into the open sky. When we do that, we will see that the house wasn't really on fire but we will still appreciate his helping to wake us up.

        Obviously this is a matter of taste and won't appeal to everyone, but where is Calder's energy for this coming from to continue this crusade? What is the Big Deal?

        Sarlo



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          Christopher Calder: RE:RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
          Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
          Date: Oct 10, 2005, 5:12
          Sarlo,

          So truth is unimportant? You say my site is "scurrilous" but you know it is all true and you know that you cannot debate the facts because they are real, proven, and on the record. Osho people can only insult, dance around issues, use childish language, and whine about those who tell the truth. The Osho cult has become a cult of liars.

          When I first landed in India on November 19, 1970, my goal was to find truth, not to become the slave to a cult that had no respect for the real facts of life. Cheap thrills and communal group-think are not truth. You may feel better in a superficial way being part of a big lie cult, but that is not really going to help you or the world in the long run. You can use group energy to hide from the world, but the world will always overtake you in the end.

          My site is for those who care about what really is and for those who have no interest in being a secondhand person, tied to a cult leader forever.

          Christopher Calder


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          devakrishna: RE:RE: Reporting From The Osho Resort
          Date: Oct 11, 2005, 18:49
          thatz exactly my question.
          what happen to KC/CC or WP (puddle)?
          what was the trigger?
          why so much energy to shit on Osho 4 30 years continuosly?

          that must hurt him inside somewhere ...


          devakrishna

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            loslarvati: RE: THANKS TO MR.CARVER
            Email: loslarvati@hotmail.com
            Date: Oct 17, 2005, 16:04
            THANKS TO CHRISTOPHER CALVER

            I am not a sannyasin. I m living in the osho way of life, some kind of. Anyway I like this site. It can approach me to osho people and give me the flavour of the man.
            I would like to say something about CC affair.
            Christopher is a present for me, and I think Osho would enjoy him very much.
            What CC is saying is a mixture of his experience with osho, his experience with himself, with interesting personal thoughts, theories, and kind of jealousy and paranoia.
            He says so many differents things that is difficult for me to speak about without making parts.
            1. EPITHETS:
            He says he is a follower of Rajneesh early years. He says he feels disgusted about what became the man later: A farce.
            But CC forget osho is completely agree with him:
            “All what I say is not the true, is only a poem: a poem that wants to help you to grown.”
            So, why to become angry with Christopher when he repeats and “proves” what osho himself have said yet. All that he can say about osho, osho has said it yet: “I m an ignorant”, “I never say the true”, “I have the most luxurious life any man had never”…
            2.PERSONAL HISTORY:
            About what CC says about personals accusations against Osho, well, that surprise me, but I didn t meet the man. Is hard to believe, for sure, but… Anyway, I think the point is that Osho is not an idol for me, and I think he didn’t want to become one for nobody. This is important, because an idol has to be investigated, cause he is what he sell. But osho didnt sell to me nothing: he offer to me tools to find my true inside of me. He helped me, and I cannot be upset if somebody who help me was not perfect. I don’t care! I don’t idolatrise him!
            That doesn t mean I don t care about the true history of the man. Is just that the history is not very important for me: I cannot be upset with Osho if he did something against his own way of life.
            So Christopher is accusing the manr far far away where I am. I see him exiting himself down down in the earth. My impression is that CC has enough problem yet. That s why I m not going to become angry with him, even if his mind would enjoy my angriness. I remember osho words when he was asked about people who were against him:
            “I just don t care. They are free to think what they want and to refuse my way of life. I also refuse their. But there is a little diference between us: I am not worry about them, but they are worry about me. That’s interesting.”
            3.THE OSHO’ S DIDACTIC WAY:
            "What you tell them is true, but what I tell them (the useful lies) is good for them." Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh 1975. Rajneesh calculated that the majority of the earth's population was on such a low level of consciousness that they could not understand nor tolerate the real truths. CC.
            This words prove that CC didn t understand the osho way of teaching. How can osho calculated such thing if he repeats all the time that there is no true to say. There is a true that cannot be transfer, that there is. So, why to speak if the true cannot be transfer? This is a question osho answered many times for us: “I speak not to transfer the true, I speak only to transfer the thirsty of true”. That was his way: he never answered to a question (there is not solutions because there is not problems!) he answer to who asked this question, saying what he think was better for him. This was his way: “don t think about me like a guru or a spiritual guide; think of me more like a psychologue”.
            4.THE WAY OF THE SCIENTIST.
            CC have said that Osho don t know himself, because all osho’experiences have a scientist explanation. The meditation is a biologic affaire, he assures, and the satory experience can be translate to chemistry and physic.
            CC see there a problem. Is strange because I m not able to see any problem. If to enjoy meditation you need a scientific explanation that calm your rationalism down, go ahead and find it. There is no problem at all.
            Science can help people like CC to understand themselves. Intelectuals always need a reason to enjoy life. I know that because I am an intellectual.
            But Science shouldn’t be used to destroy individuality, to destroy other ways of self-knowledge, because Science in itself (like Osho in himself) doesn t have any value. The only value is the personal experience. The experience is sacred. Nobody should come and say: “look, your experience is not right, look, I have proves! Your happiness is a farce: stop it right now!”
            But there is people like that. There is people who think Science is more important than any individual. People who think like that are not necessarily scientists, but for sure egocentric intellectuals.
            Charles Darwin, one of the great scientists in the history, said in his autobiography: “I understood early that Science was not an objective matter. Behind ciensce there was always the scientist.”
            Osho resumed: “Mathematics cannot explain the mathematician”.
            5. EGO WAR.
            Intellectual people have big problems to feel ourselves. And most of us would die before to admit the possibility of the existence of something like enlightment, something they never experimented. I know it well: I had a lot of problem to approach meditation. I had to go in the middle of a cleaning process. It was hard to empty my mind: I was overcrowd of ideas, and this is not the best way to enter in the dancing way of life.
            “What s up with CC? Why all this energy against Osho?”, ask somebody in the site. He must know. I cannot know, I can only guess. Cristopher must have tried, with osho or in his own way, but he could not enter in meditation. I guess this, because is the only explanation I can imagine. He could feel it maybe, and leave intellectuality to try this new way. But he could not enter in deeply. He fail. And his mind was, for sure, upset about it. Then he start the battle against his spiritual father. The intelectual warrior came back to destroy what he could not enjoy.
            CC has started a war of ego against his master. Because his ego could not become a sannyasin, because a sannyasin cannot be “the best sannyasin”. Each sannyasin is “perfect” in his individuality, and the ego need to fight, to fight to get anything but to fight.
            Reading CC I see clearly this fight. A completely chaotic fight. His arguments were sometimes very intelligent, sometimes very childish. There are a lot of non interesting things in Cris article (he has in a way some strangely conventional fears: “osho had sex with many young women the half aged than him”… So, what s the problem with this?). There are otherwise others that are very interesting: what he says, per example, about dynamic meditation seems to me very reasonable.
            6. DINAMIC MEDITATION:
            I m agree with CC: is too hard! I m myself 30 years old and in very good health condition, but ten minutes jumping holding the arms (phase 3) is too much, and for sure could be dangerous for some people. Cris says it wasn t like this in the beginning, that osho change it in the last years. Cris says osho did it with a sadist motivation. Maybe somebody can tell me about that.
            6. THANKS TO CC:
            But anyway, I have to thank Christopher to bring me the possibility of checking myself. Because, in fact, what s the point? CC is touching my doubt. This is the present he brings to me. Because sometimes is difficult to say if I still doubting. Do I doubt, or do I not doubt? Sometimes the doubt is so deep that is very difficult to see, and more if we are sourunded by positive condition, people who think like us, etc. But here he comes: Cristopher is here, helping me in order I improve myself. Thanks a lot.
            I want you to be sure I am not ironic:
            Cristopher, thanks a lot.
            I love you.
            J.L.Larvati.


            Reply
              Christopher Calder: RE:RE: THANKS TO MR.CARVER
              WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
              Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
              Date: Oct 19, 2005, 5:37
              My frustration is not with Rajneesh/Osho, who is dead and long gone, but with Osho people who just cannot tell the truth and lack the higher brain function needed to even understand the value of truth. I get letters every week from Osho people, one crazier than the next. A recent e-mail suggested that Osho disciples become “spiritual terrorists” to fund a new commune with illegal and possibly violent gangster activity. If Acharya Rajneesh could see the quality of the disciples he left behind he would be even more critical of them than me!

              If my Web site did not exist, how would the general public get the historical facts about Osho that the cult wants to cover up? The Web is full of phony Osho propaganda sites that simply ignore all the scandals and the history of the cult. Most of the tell-all books are out of print and hard to find. My aim has been to tell the truth and publish the facts FOR FREE on the Web.

              I never even think of Rajneesh/Osho unless I get a letter from an Osho person and either answer it or delete it, depending on how crazy it is. My motivation is just to set the historical record straight so that the mistakes of the Osho cult are not repeated again and again for all eternity. Unfortunately, fools never learn from history and thus America repeats Vietnam in Iraq. I spend most of my computer time fighting George W. Bush and American imperialism, not what is left of the raggedy Osho cult. I have never met George W. Bush, but I oppose his teaching and philosophy very strongly. Does this mean I am jealous of Bush or that I have some personal attachment to him? No! It means I am pro-earth and want this planet to be a better place without cults, without wars, and without arrogant nations like America that thinks it owns the world and can break international law any time it pleases, just because it can get away with it.

              Will the next big cult use germ warfare as the Osho cult did, chemical warfare as the Aum Shinrikyo cult did, or perhaps the next religious cult will graduate to nuclear warfare? Who knows? If human beings never learn that blind and unquestioning obedience to one “perfect Master” or leader is dangerous and anti-evolutionary, then we will only have more disasters.

              Christopher Calder


              Reply
                prem: RE:RE:RE: THANKS TO MR.CARVER
                Email: prem_anmol97@yahoo.com
                Date: Oct 19, 2005, 9:58
                Dear Mr. CC,

                All I have for you is a sense of gratitude and love, like our beloved Larvati has... not because you have successfully exposed him, but simply because you are doing his job, if looked upon carefully....

                I think I heard him somewhere saying... that once somebody is here he has to be here either way...

                Thanks for bringing that article on the web to help people get out of the web......

                with love.....

                prem


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                P.R.: RE:RE:RE: THANKS TO MR.CARVER
                Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
                Date: Oct 20, 2005, 17:04
                so you say

                " I spend most of my computer time fighting "

                you are " nowhere " to be seen

                www4.dr-rath-foundation.o rg/The_Hague/complaint/

                www.welltv.com

                www.i ahf.com

                www.holistiche althtopics.com/HMG/codex2 .html

                krishna .. christ .. christopher .. calder .. or ....

                " you " are nowhere to be seen

                " i spend most of my computer time fighting "

                so you say

                Reply
                Analy H.:
                WWW: help please!!!
                Email: anijah1@yahoo.com
                Date: Jul 14, 2008, 18:05
                i'm lossing my husband for this crazy religious cult. Could you please send more info about Osho.
                txs

                Reply
    Christoph Schnelle: Help
    Email: aaqws@hotmail.com
    Date: Jan 2, 2006, 2:51
    http://lanternlit.blogspo t.com/2006/01/osho-decept ively-harmful-guru_01.htm l

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Jivan Satyajit: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: jivan_satyajit@yahoo.co.in
Date: Oct 19, 2005, 12:28
Hi Christopher Calder, lets play argu-argu :D

Your earlier article "Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and the Lost Truth" was whatever strange and ridiculous might be, but kind of honest testimony of a disciple, who disagrees with his once master.

In my understanding it is utterly nonsense to pick few statements from Osho's more than 8500 hours of talks and evaluate him based on that. I can’t believe that a person like you, who knows him since ages, can do it. And funny thing is Osho himself never denied being contradictory, on a contrary he glorified it.

Whatever Osho spoke in his lifetime is well documented and all of us have our own understanding to accept or reject him, partially or completely. For me, he explained my questions to me; that’s all what matters. How he conducted his life and commune, what was his relations with his disciples etc, are just irrelevant.

Your hell-bend fight against post-Osho is so funny. It is more like, I enjoy sunbath under the soft morning sun; when the day grows and sun starts burning and I start accusing, shouting at sun, start collecting facts that how wrong the high temperature is for the humanity etc. I'll prefer to shift to the shade and thankfully goodbye the morning softness.

You might know how bad person Newton was? He was so infamous for using his office to harm the efforts of other scientists of his time. Does that really make Newton's law any less important? The same way how Osho's life goes doesn’t' really make his talks any less enlightening. It also depends how we see it; just say, the same Iraqi struggle is a freedom fight against occupant army for many, and it is terrorist insurgency for many others. May be Osho's calling himself Bhagwan (God) was an neurotic utterance form a maniac for you, but it is a brave revelation and guidance for many others to break the very definition of God.

Disagreeing with someone is very perfect, but knowingly misguiding is dishonest. For many things I disagree with him. In his view, being economically free and fulfilling all basic needs, the western society is ready to ask higher question. He assumed there may be an explosion of enlighten persons in countries like USA. But I don't think so; it is always individuals, east or west.
As he said somewhere "These all talks I am giving you are just toys"; when I am not agree, that toy is not for me (remember my agree is a toys also).

As oppose to the previous one, your new article "The Ridiculous Teachings of Wrong Way Rajneesh" is just a bunch of jokes. What are your arguments there?
Rajneesh once stated that "India does not need high technology."
How hilarious it is! His major disagreement with Gandhi was that, Gandhi is anti-technology. This guy, who is vigorously advocating, test-tube baby, cloning and all possible advance of science, back in 60's, when no one could even imagine to say yes; you are using this argument against him! How amazing. Here I am not trying to say that he did not say the above, but the context is completely missing from your article.
The other argument about "Tantra", do you really know what is "Tantra"? Your statement "Tantric practice of parents having sex with their own children". Are you out of your mind? Do you know there is not even a translation for the word "incest" in Hindi or any other Indian language, leave aside having sexual relation with own children?
Your another argument, "Rajneesh once stated that all wars would end by the year 2000 as the world would become so interdependent that war would be politically unacceptable". It’s impossibly unbelievable that you used such an optimistic observation against him. Isn't this observation true? Isn't it true that today USA is not bombing North Korea just as Iraq, because of this economical-interdependenc y with Japan, South Korea, China and Taiwan? Remember it is not a prophecy but an observation.

I can pick any point from your article and proof it a lie. I feel sorry for you that you spend almost whole of your life (I assume you are 60+ now) and collected these craps. Rather I'll say you are a real German, well determined to clean the Oshoit filth from the earth :D …… sorry guys :)

Here I am not trying to defend Osho or any one else. I don't think I have capacity or need to defend him. But it is my duty to oppose a misguiding misguided person :D

Any ways, your articles are certainly helpful, this way or that!

Love you, as usual :D


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    Christopher Calder: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
    Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
    Date: Oct 30, 2005, 18:32
    A. I am not "German." I am mainly British mixed with French and Swedish blood. My full legal name is Christopher Calder with no middle name. I was adopted and my birth father's name was John Johansen and my birth mother's name was Catherine Boyer. I am 1/8th Jewish, genetically speaking. I will be 56 years old next month.

    B. My public political editorials can be found at http://home.att.net/~medi tation/politics.html

    C . Before the last Gulf War one of my newspaper editorials was printed in a major Kuwaiti newspaper. The editorial called for the Kuwaiti people to not cooperate in Bush's war on Iraq, and I used some pretty tough language. The letter was translated into the local language and so many people read it that it caused a political stir, which not only upset the Kuwaiti Government but also US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. It became a news story on CNN and a CNN reporter asked Rumsfeld about my letter and he angrily yelled "It was not helpful." If all my hundreds of letters to foreign newspapers and foreign embassies trying to stop both of the Gulf wars did nothing but make Donald Rumsfeld angry, then at least I did something. That is the frustrating thing about world politics. Unless you are a major player you have little effect on the world. Besides voting, I don't know much else to do but write letters to people who can make a difference. The computer chat rooms and newsgroups are mainly filled with teenagers shouting at each other, so I view them as a waste of time.

    D. My essays on Osho are relaxed, honest, and fair. Their is nothing "hell-bent" about them or me. You see "hell" because I expose what you wish to cover up and ignore. It is not Osho's words that show his greatest faults, but his real life actions. Becoming a drug addict and living the life of a hypocrite is no small matter. Also, his teachings were simply wrong and untrue and based on self-serving lies and outdated myths. You can ignore all that but I cannot and the majority of the world looks upon him as a disgrace. Gurus should speak the truth, have just one face, and have no personal profit motive, otherwise they will only exploit and mislead their disciples.

    Christopher Calder

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      P.R.: RE:RE:RE:Report ing From The Osho Resort
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Nov 6, 2005, 15:43

      A. ..... describes how you 'cc' see " I " ....

      B. .... " political editorials " are " public " and are always " political "

      C. .... " the frustrating thing about politics " ..... " I don't know much else to do "

      D. .... politicians cannot " speak the truth " " have 'more than' just one face " " have a personal profit motive " 'and' " exploit and mislead by 'discipline' "

      christopher politician calder


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      sarito: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: sarito_ny@hotmail.com
      Date: Jan 21, 2006, 6:11
      One more time (thanks, Sarlo) it's worth repeating, and in its entirety this time. If the recipient of the gift didn't get it, perhaps the rest of us can.

      from "A Cup of Tea" by Osho

      327.
      Love.
      Oh, don't take life so seriously!
      Because seriousness is a great dis-ease,
      and not only a disease but a suicide also.
      Be playful -- totally
      because that is the only way to be living.
      Life is a play, a leela, and to know it so is religion,
      and to live it so is sannyas -- renunciation.

      If you can act and live as if acting and living in a dream
      and still be a witness to it
      then you will be in the cosmic flow, the tao.
      And to be in the cosmic flow is to be free --
      free from oneself, the ego.
      The ego is the seriousness, the disease,
      and the tao, the egoless existence, is the bliss,
      the ecstasy.
      That is why I have given you a name so absurd!

      But I have given it to you knowingly.
      I have given it to you so that you may never be identified with it.
      The name is so absurd
      that you will have to remain nameless and nobody behind it,
      and the name is such that
      not only others but you yourself will be able to laugh at it.
      Swami Krishna Christ!

      Oh, what a name!
      But perfectly suitable in a dream drama.
      is it not so

      So feel at ease with it.
      and laugh with it, and sing and dance with it
      and be SWAMI KRISHNA CHRIST with all the letters in
      capital!
      And always remember that you are nobody.
      And always be aware that
      you are neither a swami nor a Krishna nor a
      Christ --
      that is what is meant by a swami!
      And Krishna himself is not a Krishna
      and Christ himself is not a Christ
      because they are nameless, absolutely nameless.
      They are nobodies -- and that is what makes them divine.
      The moment one is identified with any name
      one is lost to one's divinity.
      Either one can be a name or a reality,
      and no one can be both simultaneously.
      Be a name really --
      and your reality is lost.
      Be a reality really --
      and your name is just a dream -- maya.
      And what nonsense to be a swami!
      But once one is at ease with the no sense one transcends it.

      Please! Don't try to be sensible
      otherwise you will never be with any sense at all!
      Because only stupidity tries to be sensible!
      The existence is absurd
      and meaningless
      and irrational
      and that is why it is so beautiful.
      And to be in it such a blessing!

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        Atmo Jayakumar: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Email: oshoatmatha@rediffmail.com
        Date: May 31, 2008, 23:34
        Beloved friend,
        Experiences cannot be brought into words, because words cannot contain it.

        When you go in you feel it, or else peripheral criticisms and formulas won't help.

        When your view point is wrong you will feel the whole world is a mess and lies.

        Calm down dear don't follow Osho just pass through it. Osho has created a wave that has affected you and me.
        Being in gratitude is the first step to mental peace and harmony. The moment you feel gratitude to everything around you, you will feel this world is beautiful, if not we have to make it beautiful.

        Remember we have only a short period in this life, so what is the point in wasting it for conflicts.
        with immense love,
        Atmo Jayakumar

        Reply
        Atmo Jayakumar: RE:RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Email: oshoatmatha@rediffmail.com
        Date: May 31, 2008, 23:37
        Beloved friend,
        Experiences cannot be brought into words, because words cannot contain it.

        When you go in you feel it, or else peripheral criticisms and formulas won't help.

        When your view point is wrong you will feel the whole world is a mess and lies.

        Calm down dear don't follow Osho just pass through it. Osho has created a wave that has affected you and me.
        Being in gratitude is the first step to mental peace and harmony. The moment you feel gratitude to everything around you, you will feel this world is beautiful, if not we have to make it beautiful.

        Remember we have only a short period in this life, so what is the point in wasting it for conflicts.
        with immense love,
        Atmo Jayakumar

        Reply
Carlos: HOla desde Peru
Email: noexistimos@hotmail.com
Date: Oct 22, 2005, 22:03
HOla, como estan?.. aqui tratando de leer los articulos... me interesa lo de osho.

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    Christopher Calder: RE:HOla desde Peru
    WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
    Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
    Date: Oct 30, 2005, 22:09
    "Hello, as they estan.. aqui trying to read the articulos... interests the one to me of osho."
    ----------
    Carlos,

    That is the Babblefish translation of what you wrote. I am sorry but I do not speak Spanish. My essay on Osho has been translated into Spanish and is on the Web, as are German, French, and Russian translations.

    By the way, my adopted father's name was Paul Pfuetze and he was the head of the religion department at Vassar College. He was half German, but I was not related to him genetically. He took me on a tour of Zen monasteries in Japan when I was 16 years old and often took tours of his students to India. In 1971 he took a group of students to Woodlands Building in Bombay and met Achayra Rajneesh face to face. That is why my name is listed in early books as Swami Krishna Christ, aka "Walter Pfuetze." I changed my name in 1976 to Christopher Calder because I don't like German names and was interested in the artist Alexander Calder. That said, I am not German other than the fact that I am white European and all white Europeans have Germanic blood in them. We all have African blood as well because we are all descendants of one woman in Africa who lived thousands of years ago. At least that is the predominant theory of the origins of man.

    Cheers, Christopher

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      P.R.: RE:RE:HOla desde Peru
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Nov 1, 2005, 16:31

      at least this is the predominant theory of the origins of calder

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        Christopher Calder: RE:RE:RE:HOla desde Peru
        WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
        Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
        Date: Nov 2, 2005, 21:46
        "Now the alternative to despair is courage. And human life can be viewed as a continuous struggle between these two options. Courage is the capacity to affirm one's life in spite of the elements which threaten it. The fact that courage usually predominates over despair in itself tells us something important about life. It tells you that the forces that affirm life are stronger than those that negate it."

        -- Paul E. Pfuetze--

        http://www.q uoteworld.org/author.php? thetext=Paul+E.+Pfuetze


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          P.R.: RE:RE:RE:RE:HOl a desde Peru
          Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
          Date: Nov 5, 2005, 12:07

          " and 'one' human life can be viewed as a continuous struggle between these two 'or more or less' options "

          krishna ... christ ... christopher ... calder ... paul ... e ... pfuetze ...........

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Shantam Prem: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: Shantamprem@hotmail.com
Date: Nov 6, 2005, 18:24
Dear Calder or beloved Krishna christ or jesus chirst (what does it matter),
Wihtout any doubt i will say, your essays are quite thought provoking. They are powerfull.
But i always wonder why you dont use the same yard stick with other alive or dead masters in the market. Jesus, Buddha etc we forget, they are very much wraped in the myth. A person like you will definately find the feet of clay attached to them too.
Let us say about J krishnamurti, or UG, or Sai baba or the new one like Ravishanker, Osho's sibling Shailandra and other 200 someones who have opened their satsang kiosks, If we have a perfect mark of ten, i bet Osho will be still on the top of the list, inspite of all the limitations mentioned by you.
Can you give lectures like him after having valium or anything. Even his lecture material was borrowed, do you know somebody who speaks and effects people in such a loving way.
Or tell us somebody who you think is enlighend and honest, whose words and deeds are in harmony?
love
Shantam Prem

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    Shantamprem: About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
    Email: shantamprem@hotmail.com
    Date: Nov 10, 2005, 21:35
    About the answer to my question about Mr. Cadler' intentions about Osho, Last year i had an e mail correspondence with Mr. Cadler, where He mentioned that He doesnot want to waste his energy with the small freis in the spiritual market.
    Thorugh this mail i want to convey to him that humanity doesnot die because of the lion`s bite but it is the virus coming from Bird`s flu kind of things which brings the maximum distruction.
    Inspite of all the negtive points mentioned by Cadler in His negative artical about Osho, His contribution about the human spiritual growth still remains the maximum.

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      P.R.: RE:About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Nov 11, 2005, 13:10

      " about the answer to my question about "

      as you also seem to "spend computer time"

      spend computer time with

      www.dr-rath-foundation.or g/The_Hague/complaint/


      www.welltv.com

      www.iahf.com

      www.holis tichealthtopics.com/HMG/c odex2.html

      you say that calder mentioned that "he does not want to waste 'his' energy with the small fries in the spiritual 'market' "

      answer that answer to you

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      anders: RE:About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
      Email: a.windisch@libero.it
      Date: Dec 26, 2005, 10:22
      You are perfectly right, humanity is endangered mostly by the need too many nourish to have someone tell them who they are and what they should do, instead than taking their responsibility for their own life and achieve the most difficult task: trust themselves and their own interior master. Keeping on projecting outside the quest for guidance ( and lost fathers, mothers and gods) feeds herds of gurus and life experts who inevitably turn their own personal quest to making a living ( when not to thrist for power) on needy disciples. What can happen is that the gurus stop moving on their paths and start sitting on thrones and the disciples get a comfortable ride on their back (for which they pay in cash or kind and devotion). The healthy inteaction which could help masters and followers to grow freezes too often against the unwillingness of the guru to accept true confrontation and the readiness of the disciple to follow without questioning.
      I agree with Calder, a guru can be undoubtedly 'enlightened', but is a man/woman like any other, they have more light and consciuosness, but are created equal and should never forget this. Any plant, animal and human can always teach them a lesson anytime and have the right to, because such is the great interactive game of life: One and greater that any guru or enlightened living being.


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        judy: RE:RE:About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
        Email:
        Date: Dec 26, 2005, 14:41

        you should, like calder, stay with catholicism

        where " words " such as yours and calder's are written to " agree " with each other



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          anders: RE:RE:RE:About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
          Email: a.windisch@libero.it
          Date: Dec 26, 2005, 19:27

          Catholicism? sounds OT here, actually I consider myself rather a rebellious pagan.
          I gather you don't like harsh and pointed words ( which anyway are rather uncatholic)
          so here's a little song for you

          Hi!
          Something's up something's down..
          something comes something goes..
          what's the pain what's the loss
          what's the use of pulling back
          once you start to move on?
          ups and downs is a point of view
          they don't decide for you..

          When you're master inside out
          not afraid of harm or joy
          when you see and touch and taste
          smell and hear and feel your heart
          there won't be no ups or downs
          but a whole new point of view..

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            ex Shanti: In Praise of C Calder
            Email: volumesgo@aol.com
            Date: Dec 27, 2005, 10:03
            Christopher I understand.

            I too was a long time Sannyasin genuinely searching for truth. I lived many years in Poona and was very close to Devageet and others.

            I have not read all the details of what you have written but for sure I agree with the main thrust and have come to understand what a harmful and deceitful person Osho was.

            It has taken a lot of courage for me to realise that I could have been so fooled for all those years - it is scary to know that what you thought was the most important thing in your life is so rotten. Seeing the truth turned my whole life upside down.

            Even when I realised that Osho was a liar and purposefully fooling people I still had great gratitude towards him as I thought that I had benefited from all those years.

            It took another level of understanding for me to drop the gratitude and realise that all those years were at the best a distraction.

            Anyway, I have no interest to get into this debate. I just want to let you (Christopher) know that there are others out there who respect your courage and understand what you are saying.

            You are very kind to attempt to help these people. I do not have the compassion for that but am sharing my love in other ways.


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              P.R.: RE:In Praise of C Calder
              Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
              Date: Dec 27, 2005, 14:32

              " ex " shanti ... like calder ... a politician

              your " searching " is as hollow

              as your " praising "

              as your " having no interest "

              as your " helping ' these people' "

              as your last arrogant sentence shows



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            judy: RE:RE:RE:RE:Abo ut Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
            Date: Dec 27, 2005, 13:57

            catholicism and paganism are both weeds

            you defined your words as " harsh or pointed "

            your song - points of view

            points of view - like catholicism and paganism



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              atmokamya: RE:RE:RE:RE:RE: About Mr. Cadler`s approach towards Osho
              Email:
              Date: Dec 27, 2005, 18:24
              Tahnks to you all. I had a real good time reading this! It seems to be a matter of interst. As you see in the name i am an sanyassin myself, my parents are too. but still i dont consider myself a headless follower of osho. He helped me in many situations and still does. I LOVE his books. He said many things i dont understand and many things i dont agree. So what? He also said so many beautiful wise things, that make my live better. For me it is totally matterless what live osho had, if he was crazy (what he must have been) if he took valium or whatever. If he teaches my things that make ME happy. The things I dont like he said i just forget. If it makes MY life more loving, more dancing, more enjoing - and dont hurt nobody. I dont know how this is with you, but osho nor the commune never asked any money from me nor hurt me in any other way. On the opposite! I still have my own head to think an my own heart to feel. I have to admit - i met a lot of stupid sanyassins in my live - and a lot of stupid christians and moslems and atheists. and i met a lot of honest friendly warmhearded sanyassins as christians and other... You get the point? Just enjoy you live. And happy new year to you all!!!

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phil: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: gargantua1082004@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Jan 10, 2006, 15:18
i have been following this christopher christ versus osho people dispute for some while now.
i myself have had long `discussions`,with mr christ,(as i have recently discovered is one of his growing list of aliases),if that is possible with such an obviously emotive and inflamatory issue,on the old obb group and sannyas news.
these are some views that have occured to me.
chris calder is an absolutely neccesary and inevitable outgrowth of `sannyasin`self-deluding attitudes.he is the `dream shadow` created by the dreamer to remind about denied or just poorly understood parts of our self.
for example,the issue that calder raises about the falseness of the claim tothat osho was poisoned with thallium definitely sticks .osho`s symptoms were certainly more consistent(alarmingly so) with over use of nitrous oxide.
check it for yourselt.
what will you do?
say i must now :
stay in the present,notthink about the past what is gone is gone
not question the devices of the master
not be `hooked by negativity`
etc etc etc
calder is right when he says that any uncomfortable questioning is repelled by an ad hominem attack on the personal integrity of the speaker,which actually shows the avoidance by the `osho person.
see?that is the avoidance that creates the calder. the anger and urge to retaliate or dismiss, creates the aforementioned shadow.
if you want to deal with calder,look at that!

as for chris himself,
he may very well be the krishna christ guy,as what osho said to him about his name was bang on:unless you laugh at yourself a bit more,all the meditation in the world is just going to make you more obseessive .
i have met people like that in real life.
you know how some people are born with defective internal organs,blind,or with a kidney missing?well,calder is like that with his sense of humour.
osho sussed him out straught away.
trying to meditate without a sense of humour is like trying to have kids when you`ve had your balls cut off_forget it1
you will possibly manage to have a wank,if you are lucky,but that`s it!

so there you have it,you are all wrong and i am right.
any questions?

love

phi l






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phil: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email:
Date: Jan 10, 2006, 15:51
and of course,many of calder`s allegations of rape and abuse etc need substantiation,sources,co rroborating witnesses etc.
when these are forthcoming,and convincing,i will help mr christ with his crusade for` the truth`
it would be foolish to follow the teachings of a rapist,no?
come on mr swami krishna christ opher calder,
anyone can make allegations on the net.
lets get the whole truth.
can you supply it.....?











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    p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
    Date: Jan 11, 2006, 17:25

    phil ... like calder ... a politician

    " calculating " " fawning "

    you say " I have been following "
    you say " I myself have had long discussions "
    you say " these are some views that have occurred to 'me'
    you say " what will 'you' do "
    you say " I must ........ etc etc etc "
    you say " I have met people like that in 'real' life "
    your SayingS reek of arrogance as the "gargantuan 'personal integrity' " of your "so there .... " sentence shows

    and not having had your fill of 'phil' you proclaim " I will help calder " and waving a flag with your politically expedient words "let's get the whole truth.can you supply it " ....
    gargantuan phil follows the calderschnelle crusade

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      : RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Date: Jan 23, 2006, 4:53
      "Through my friend Deepak Chopra I came across Osho's books which gave me an
      other deeper shift in my life. I regret I did not met him in person, and I feel sorry the US Government missed such an opportunity back in 86."
      - Madonna, Singer and Performer

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: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Jan 23, 2006, 4:53
"These brilliant insights will benefit all those who yearn for experiential
knowledge of the field of pure potentiality inherent in every human being.
This book belongs on the shelf of every library and in the home of all those
who seek knowledge of the higher self."
- Deepak Chopra, author of Ageless Body, Timeless Mind; Quantum Healing and
Unconditional Life on Osho's Book "From Medication to Meditation"

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: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Jan 23, 2006, 4:54
"When we wrote and prepared for shooting Vanilla Sky, I constantly checked
in with Osho's insights. It is not so easy to present the unconscious mind
with images and a story. Osho is the only one who can perfectly explain it
all, the inner and the outer and that helped me and my team immensely"
- Tom Cruise, actor

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: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Jan 23, 2006, 4:54
"I was inspired by Osho's wisdom when I wrote the song 'How fragile we all
are'; Reading his books gave me hope for humanity. It is a must for
everybody to have a look into his words ....."
- Sting, Singer and Performer

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: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Jan 23, 2006, 4:55
"His incredible taped discourse lectures and books have inspired me, and
millions of others, on the path of self-evolution... He is like a great bell
tolling, Awaken, Awaken, Awaken!"
- James Coburn, actor

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: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Jan 23, 2006, 4:55
"Enlightened people like Osho are ahead of their times. It is good that more and more young people are now reading his works."
- K. R. Narayanan, former president of India

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Harry Manx Krishna Prasad: RE:Reporting From New York City on Sw. Christ and others.
Email:
Date: Jan 29, 2006, 20:16
It's amazing how those of us who were connected to Osho through the heart seem to have gained so much from him and then moved on to new places and new people without much struggle. With virtually no looking back even to see if the path that we had taken with Him is still in place. Many of us have found our way to be in the mainstream and contribute something inspirational and worthwhile to make it a little better place than it was when we found it. Just as He himself had done.
In contrast, those who related mainly with their well developed intellectual minds to Osho seem to still be stuck somewhere in the past. It would appear that they have unfinished business. Hence they will remain stuck there until they find their way out. They will go on trying (seemingly desperately) to convince others of the validity of their point of view and to justify why their perspective is right and yours is wrong. They call it a search for truth. I like this expression: "Don't search, stop and see what is"
I'm fine with them doing that though, after all it's their right to do what they like with their lives. In fact I'd say go for it because after all this is your chance to make the journey happen as you see fit. Who am I to judge what others need to accomplish in this life? Personally, I've had a wonderful journey with Osho while he was on the ranch,during Pune 2 and since he's been gone. I have always had an open heart for the man. I am grateful to him. I love him. It's very clear and uncomplicated. He inspires my art which itself has inspired thousands of others. The whole world could go against Osho, it's fine with me because I'm not a religious man, I don't need anyone else to love my master or agree with him so that I'll feel comforted. Actually I'm kind of greedy, I want him for myself! Please don't love him!
The reason you can find people everywhere who are "glowing" with love and bliss but who believe or follow some obviously questionable spiritual/religious path is that it's not about the object of your surrender or worship, it's about the intensity and totallity of your devotion. What you yourself bring to the situation. The fact is, Osho didn't transform these people, maybe someone else will. They should be looking elsewhere for their enlightenment and forget all about sannyasins and Osho.
Even if it's true as some would claim that he deceived people and distorted the truth, what you yourself do with that realization will basically form who you are (or think you are!). If you put your energy into hate, argumentation, conspiracy theories etc. etc. that's the bed you made and you'll have to sleep in it. Unfortunately there won't be any energy left for things like:
Watching a beautiful sunset with tears in your eyes. Crying over the death of a beloved. Playing with a small child at his level. Writing a song that only you'll hear but which will feel soooo good. Laughing for no particular reason with a long lost friend. Sitting in silence. Smiling. Dancing.
Basically enjoying all the beautiful moments that existence provides on an ongoing basis.
All the intellectualizing in the world won't bring you even one inch of Buddha. But an open heart is like an open road....it goes on and on.
Love, Life and Laughter. Too simple for some, more than enough for others.

Big shout out to all the beloveds who I miss....we had a great journey with Him didn't we.
Lots of love to all....
Harry Manx, Sw. Krishna Prasad


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    Christoph Schnelle: RE:Reporting From New York City on Sw. Christ and others.
    Email: aaqws@hotmail.com
    Date: Mar 3, 2006, 11:58
    Hi Harry,

    Loved your contribution. I looked at your website, photos and listened to your music. Very nice!

    If I read your message correctly then you are saying the following:

    Osho may or may not be a fake guru. Those who oppose him are stuck in the past and too much in their head. As a result these people miss out on all that is beautiful in life – playing, crying, smiling, singing. You love Osho, he inspires you and if a person is intensely and totally devoted then this person is glowing with love and bliss – regardless of whom that person is devoted to.

    That’s nice and a beautiful illusion. The issue is very straightforward: What is more important – truth or feeling good? You clearly answered that feeling good is more important for you than truth. That is very much your right, however I personally feel thoroughly uncomfortable basing my life on a lie just to feel good. I am doing the opposite – I accept whatever is true, no matter how uncomfortable, painful or embarrassing. As a result I am living in paradise with the most beautiful wife in the world and I have an amazingly happy time.

    I am writing about Osho because his lies and his deceit caused an enormous amount of pain for a lot of beautiful people. Most of these beautiful people have no idea that a sophisticated fraud was perpetrated on them and blame themselves for their deteriorating mental and physical health. Many of my sannyasin friends have great trouble sustaining this illusory happy fog and are taking more and more desperate measures to continue feeling good. This hurts.

    Back to your message: You are courageously conceding the possibility that Osho deceived people (I am not ironic – it DOES take a lot of courage) but then you use two of the best strategies with which Osho defrauded us all:

    • The first one is that those who oppose Osho are too much in their head.
    • The second strategy is that WHO is saying something completely overrides WHAT that person is saying. In other words an enlightened person can speak the most appalling rubbish and it is still much more valid than a lesser person speaking total truth.

    Osho defrauded some of the most beautiful and intelligent people on the planet. Therefore his fraud had to be sophisticated. The best trick he used in his fraud was telling everybody “Use your mind in the world, but go beyond the mind in the spiritual”.

    In other words, “Don’t use your mind around me. If you use your mind, you are in your head and you are missing out on the spiritual”. Osho mainly targeted and attracted very intelligent people who have strong minds. Osho here used the same strategy as the Catholic Church – create an unsolvable conflict within people and then they are easy to control.

    The church uses guilt to deceive and control its adherents. It is one thing to feel guilty about breaking your wife’s favourite crockery or to feel guilty about pulling the wings off a fly or to feel guilty about committing rape, murder and pillaging. However, the church demanded people feel guilty about perfectly natural things like sex and the church said that the only way to free yourself of this guilt is by adhering to the church’s commands.

    Osho’s “Go beyond the mind to be spiritual” had exactly the same effect. It’s ok to point out that the mind has serious limitations and many mental habits cause misery. However it is outright fraud to say that the only way to be spiritual is to ignore the mind. This creates a conflict with truth, because the mind is needed to recognize untruth. If the mind is ignored, the person becomes unable to distinguish between truth and lies. Osho created and exploited this internal conflict – just as the Catholic Church did with guilt.

    The more intelligent the person, the stronger the mind and the stronger the conflict. Every time sannyasins used their intelligence, they felt guilty. The smarter they are the bigger the conflict.

    The second nasty trick Osho used was “Only an enlightened person can speak truth, anybody who is not enlightened cannot speak truth, no matter what they say”.

    If Osho says, two plus two is five, it is a superior truth to my two plus two is four.

    This is only a small exaggeration. I think every sannyasin concedes that Osho sometimes spoke the most appalling rubbish, for example when he spoke about science. However, his strategy leads to sannyasins accepting anything Osho says, no matter how untrue and ignoring anything Osho’s detractors say, no matter how true.

    Osho managed something amazing with these two strategies:
    He managed to lie and lie and lie to us sannyasins. We didn’t expose his lies because we didn’t use our reasoning abilities (our minds) and we valued his lies more than any truth because an enlightened person’s lies are more valuable than another person’s truth.

    The best frauds are those where the victim says “I wasn’t deceived” and where the victim even actively fights anybody pointing out the fraud. Osho’s fraud is one of those.
    None of this would matter if those lies didn’t cause such enormous damage to so many intelligent and sensitive people.

    Harry, you are doing well. Many other sannyasins are not doing well. There is the enormous death rate through cancer – too high for a middle aged population. Many sannyasins work as healers and most of them fit the ?wounded healer’ syndrome. Many others’ health has collapsed. Many sannyasins are involved in things that are even more harmful, like Deeksha.

    Osho was a sophisticated and nasty fraudster with a grudge who intentionally misled and hurt his followers. His grudge was that deep down he knew that his teachings were a sham and he could not bear to see genuine seekers. It is a tragedy that so many people did not know and still do not know that they have been hurt in this way.


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      p.r.: RE:Reporting From New York City on Sw. Christ and others.
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Mar 3, 2006, 15:45

      calderschnelle

      Self proclaiming priestS

      preaching political SermonS

      reeking of arrogant condescesion

      Schnelle Sermon .... " If "

      " Hi ................. " posturing

      " Loved your ..... " patronising

      " If I ................ " pontificating

      " If " a word that negates all that " follows "

      " If " a fitting epitaph for calderscnelle

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      Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From New York City on Sw. Christ and others.
      WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
      Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
      Date: Mar 8, 2006, 23:55
      Christop Schnelle,

      I don't think Osho intentionally tried to hurt his disciples. He was self-deluded because he did not understand what he was in fact. He only knew the myths he created about himself. Rajneesh was born with a brain perfectly suited for cosmic consciousness. Being Indian, he was exposed to all the myths of soul, reincarnation, great enlightened teachers, etc. He assumed he was the reincarnation of some great soul and invented stories of past lives and the occult to gain power. The occult is sexy and seductive and sells well. He rationalized his lying as a way to help people, in part because he assumed that he was so great that he could do no harm. Anything he touched, he thought, would turn to gold.

      Unfortunately, this is a case of the 1960s slogan, "If it feels good do it." Osho-Rajneesh felt good lying so he did it, every day of his life. He loved to lie and manipulate people. That was his thing. Drugs feel good just like Osho's presence felt good. Does that mean you should act on any urge that you get in your head during a LSD trip? No. Life is more complicated than that, and just because Osho-Rajneesh was cosmically conscious does not mean that he was wise, honest, and truthful. His daily lying ended up hurting many people and giving meditation a bad name. Cosmic consciousness, while highly enjoyable, is not a cure-all for all that is wrong with the human mind/brain. The lost nation of Tibet is proof of that. Osho-Rajneesh had good intentions, but he did not understand his own neurology and the fact that his gift was DNA based, not soul based, because there is no soul. That is why the more you look into the phenomena of gurus, the more you will find hypocrisy, fraud, theft, lies, deceit.

      Most gurus want money, power, willing disciples to have sex with, and some even want drugs. Osho-Rajneesh wanted and got all of that, and he rationalized it all in the name of spirituality, which does not exist because there is no soul/spirit. That is what J. Krishnamurti was trying to tell people when he called "spirituality" an ugly word. When J. Krishnamurti said "Do not think about soul and reincarnation," what he really was saying is that there is no soul and there is no reincarnation. J. Krishnamurti could not just come out and say the truth because Indian society would not listen to him if he just bluntly stated that the very basis of Hinduism was wrong. He had to be diplomatic and use subtle words to transfer his message. J. Krishnamurti realized late in life, as did Osho-Rajneesh, that it is all in the brain. Soul is a beautiful idea, but soul is not a fact. Soul is wonderful and hypnotic fiction. UG Krishnamurti finally broke the truth taboo and spilled the beans about the mystical business and all its lies. Mysticism is a fraud and that is why gurus turn bad, become drug addicts, liars, thieves, and sometimes even murderers. If the myths of great souls were true, history would not be so littered with scandals of gurus committing every crime in the book.

      A sense of humor is great, but lying to people is no joke. If your disciples engage in germ warfare, an apology is the least you owe society. Osho-Rajneesh's ego was so big he could not even apologize for that. He hooked people on the losing the ego/enlightenment scam, all the while his ego was fully functional, because all of us need a central controlling force (ego) to survive. If you actually lost your ego you would physically die. Osho's teachings were wrong and a fraud from A to Z, but they were euphoric lies and most people are so unconscious and irresponsible they embrace euphoric lies over the difficult truth. That is why George Bush was re-elected by an oblivious flag waving American public, and that is why Osho's people still cling to his robes long after his lies and ethical crimes were exposed for all to see.

      Christopher Calder


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        salwa: RE:Reporting From New York City on Sw. Christ and others.
        Date: Apr 27, 2006, 16:32
        ---"If it feels good do it." Osho-Rajneesh felt good lying so he did it, every day of his life. He loved to lie and manipulate people.---

        First sorry for my english,i hope to be undestand.

        If it feels good do it.For sure this sentence was not for you Mr.someone.That was only for Good ppl.
        when u breack the bondage around you,the culture the morallity,All what they teach you,what they made from you.Then ''if feels good do it''.this time you will know what to do, cos u will fallow youre heart.

        its seems to me that u don't have mind,and youre heart is also empty.Go and joy the morality ,..for sure after sametimes gulit will arise-and will finish you.Cos u morality are fake,the nature is only truth.Open u heart and seek for truth inside youre self.

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: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Jan 29, 2006, 21:49
Hallelujah
Cheers Krishna

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    Not Required: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Date: Feb 14, 2006, 11:41
    Always look at target just feel what OSHO says what he was why any of you take care. you are not blind. To become true truth seeker you must belive in yourself not in others be it OSHO or Christopher Calder

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surio: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
WWW: im
Email: www.onion@yahoo.com
Date: Feb 14, 2006, 14:23
Christopher Calder

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    p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
    Date: Feb 17, 2006, 18:17

    " surio " ... lus'surio'so ... an italian word ...

    meanings ... lustful, salacious ...

    an interesting soubriquet for a politician ...

    like " calder "

    " surio " ... e'surio' ... a latin word ...

    meanings ... to long for , to yearn ...

    an interesting soubriquet for a seeker ...

    like " harry manx krishna "

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phil: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email:
Date: Mar 21, 2006, 16:27
to sum up:

harry krishna harry manx says a good time was had by all

christopher christ says a bad time was had by all

the dove wished everything was white

the crow wished everything was black




i say;

I LEAVE YOU YOUR DREAM






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karma: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: karma_reloaded@yahoo.com
Date: Apr 12, 2006, 13:45
even with all his lies , osho was the most charismatic man .....his lies only add spice to his persona

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    Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    WWW: home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html
    Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
    Date: Jul 5, 2006, 6:10
    His lies added spice to his persona? How about his disciples germ warfare attacks on men, women, and little children? How about Osho's own thefts and two faced hypocrisy? What about his drug addiction and dementia? Does that all add to his greatness?

    Osho followers are the most dishonest and dull people in the world, and they all have serious mental issues. They have no sense of truth, responsibility, or justice.

    See the con man dethroned at:

    http://home.att.ne t/~meditation/downfall-pi ctures.html

    Cosmic consciousness is real. Mysticism is false. A rock is a rock, and a tree is a tree. Consciousness, cosmic or otherwise, is all in the brain. There is no "spirituality" because there are no spirits, no souls, no ghosts, and no Gods. That is why gurus become corrupt, cults become dangerous, and disciples become foolish.

    Christopher Calder
    http://home.att.n et/~meditation/ - home page


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      p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Jul 6, 2006, 13:38

      cosmos ....... . . . . . . .

      miss' tics' ... calder schnelle and aliASSES

      Spitting Sermons of malignant misanthropy

      exposed at their close by their arrogant amen

      " I absolutely claim fallibility "

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        Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        WWW: home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html
        Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
        Date: Jul 10, 2006, 7:54
        At the bottom of all my web pages I have the following statement.

        "Opini ons expressed on this page must be viewed as the ideas of an ordinary student of meditation. While I truly believe everything I say, you should not believe anything unless you see it, feel it, and know it for yourself. I make no claims of infallibility. In fact I absolutely claim fallibility."

        &qu ot;moc" has no argument to make, so he accuses me of being arrogant for telling the truth, that I am a fallible human being. But it did not bother "moc" that Rajneesh for most of his life claimed to be infallible, not fallible. "moc" seems to be a lover of lies and liars. Rajneesh claimed that he had sex with young girls because it would bless them so much that they would become enlightened in a future lifetime. Then years latter while under the influence of large doses of Valium he admitted that there is no such thing as reincarnation. So all of his teachings were false, from A to Z, as were his claims of being a great guru in past lives, because he did not have any past lives. No one does! But "moc" is OK with the liar, but puts up illogical and weak criticism against someone who just wants to tell the truth to set the record straight. "moc" makes conspiracy theories in his head that other posters who may be less devout than himself are really me, Christopher, in disguise. This is delusional and a diversion from the debate, which he cannot win.

        What is so bad with truth, fact, reality, honesty? Is life so miserable for you that you hate to let go of your spiritual dreams? Have you declared truth to be evil and your enemy?

        No Osho-Rajneesh person has a reasonable or honest argument in favor of worshipping Osho, but they still do. No honest person can defend his life or his deeds, so all Osho people can do is make ridiculous statements that do not make any sense to anyone not wearing a straight-jacket. Osho is dead, and those who continue the hoax of his life are not doing him or anyone else any favors. Life goes on, and the future should be made with honesty, not more lies. Have compassion for those who come after us. They deserve to know the truth.



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          p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
          Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
          Date: Jul 11, 2006, 12:34

          calder .... pious .. petulant .. paragraphed ..

          para 1 .... braying ....
          &
          para 2 .... arrogant exonerations of his
          .............. malignant misanthropy

          para 3 ... braying ........
          ............. 'argument' .... 'accuses' ...
          ............. 'conspiracy' .. 'disguise' ...
          ............. 'delusional' ... 'diversion' ...

          swishing his ' tale ' in ' debate ' circles
          "which he cannot ' win ' "

          para 4 ... braying ....
          ............. "questions"
          ............. ' What is ...... '
          ............. ' Is life .......... '
          ............. ' Have you .... '

          more desperate despairing
          ' debate ' swishes of his ' tale '

          para 5 ... braying ....
          ............. ' Life goes on ......... '
          ............. ' the future should ... '
          ............. ' those ................... '
          ............. ' They .................... '

          calder ... arrogance exemplified

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Svatmo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Apr 15, 2006, 1:03
Christopher,

You have unconciously choosen appropriate name of Christopher Calder or CC or Sissy - Coward.

You were a driftwood that came across OSHO accidentally and blessed by his sheer compassion. Unfortunately you could not take plunge in the river, instead stayed on the bank - could not start the journey towards heart and stayed in the mind - could not move towards center and stayed on the periphery.

You can only hear the song if your frequency is tuned into the frequency of the broadcasting radio station. So many people could tune into the frequency and heard the SONG and danced to the music.

Obviously you cound not understand why they are dancing. Your ego got wounded and started bleeding. Wounded ego made it hard for you to admit that you could not take a plunge so you invented and fabricated lies about OSHO and others to justify your cowardlyness. You came across a rare diamond accidentally and throw away as a stone. That hurts like hell.

Remember, No matter how big the dust storms are on the Earth, they can not hide the SUN.

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Big Daddy: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: liondog667@hotmail.com
Date: Jun 25, 2006, 6:34
just because you're enlightened doesn't mean you won't/can't be a goddamn goof!


that's all Chrisman's saying, right bro?!

Fletch

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    pr: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: moc.liamtohat@htmail.com
    Date: Jul 3, 2006, 10:37

    " big daddy liondog " .... a calder'smell'e

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      : RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Date: Jul 31, 2006, 23:12
      funny and
      watch your mouth

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        p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
        Date: Aug 18, 2006, 13:59
        it was on Jul 31,2006,23:12 ...................

        in Caustic City ......................... ............

        that ......................... ......................... ...

        christopher calder ......................... ........
        the carping crusader ......................... ....
        and ......................... ......................... ...
        christoph schnelle ......................... .......
        a robbing hood ......................... ............

        aliASS ......................... .......................
        lostman and boy blunder .......................

        spat ......................... ......................... ..

        another "anonymous" calderschnelle'ism ..

        "watch" as they foam at the "mouth" .......

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Jatinder Singh: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
WWW: nothin yet!!
Email: jatcme@hotmail.com
Date: Aug 18, 2006, 15:54
Hello -- My Heartiest regards to you all including Calder

very interesting debate going on here and I thought of chipping in with my diary of thoughts from the collection of (my) mind.

1. Calder I feel has some very strong, deep and uncoscious resentment that turned into poisoning his awareness with skepticism and right/wrong. Now -- If he is writing on the web so much against a group, cult etc. and not been able to believe in individuality of every human being --- That is his Catharsis and I think it's good for him to constantly pouring out and clear up the poison inside. Root of this poisonous tree is the resentment that he has and his notion of right/wrong -- true/false expanded by his so called intelligence.

He sounds like a good man and Let most of us be with him as friends rather than fill our hearts with criticism and hatred towards Calder. Let's help him to vent out his repressed emotions.
----------------------- ------------------------- ----
Understanding the basics of living and being human and consiousness has made a huge difference in my life where I was suffering intensely. ---- Thankyou all

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    p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
    Date: Aug 25, 2006, 18:28

    "jatinder" ...... a priest in "waiting" ............

    "singh'ing" .... a healing ' him ' ..................

    &qu ot;singh" your "thoughts" directly to calder ..

    ........ jatcme@hotmail.com ..........to .......
    ..calderhome@yah oo.com .......................
    ..c.c. to ...............schnelle ............at.......
    .. .......aaqws@hotmail.com ......................


    and "help" each other "vent out" ...............

    three piously pontificating priests ..............

    in a "holey" trinity of arrogance .................

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Alok Singh: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: alok.singh@lehman.com
Date: Sep 2, 2006, 16:34
Hi All,

First of all my regards to chris and all of them
now i will ask only one question to Cal.. that
in your article you mention that you feel like
heaven in the presence of rajneesh(Osho) and
you put right way of meditation also as
dynamic meditation according to you

So can you please Tell me one thing that do you have the ability to expand your self like those days with osho .....

Love And regards
Alok





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    babu: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Date: Sep 19, 2006, 5:56
    "Or, as one five-year-old boy in Rajneesh’s Poona center complained: “Fuck, fuck, fuck, all we ever do is fuck!”

    At least one “older and wiser” six-year-old girl in the same community, however, saw things from a more adult perspective; for she

    delighted in grabbing men’s genitals through their robes. Another offered to suck the penis of every man she saw in the public showers (Franklin, 1992).

    Of course, that situation did not improve upon Rajneesh’s messianic move to America, where one could easily find three-year-old girls sobbing their hearts out to their mothers:

    None of the boys will fuck me!.... It’s not fair! Just because I wear diapers they won’t fuck me. They said I’m a baby! (in Franklin, 1992).

    To that, the mother’s patient response was simply an encouragement to her child to stop wetting herself at night, at which point she would not have to wear diapers anymore.

    “Problem solved.”

    With the additional penchant of early-teenage girls in Rajneesh’s America for sleeping with men twice their age, Franklin went on to note:

    Scores of ranch swamis would have been considered child molesters out in the world."

    This is from 'Stripping the Gurus' where Ma Satya Bharati is quoted here (Franklin) can someone please address this ....?

    I mean I love so much of what Osho said but hearing this just leaves a bad taste in my mouth...



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Shunya Kaya: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: shunyakaya@yahoo.co.in
Date: Sep 19, 2006, 9:52
I would just like to say that all this guy Christopher Calder is trying to do is attract attention and what could be a better way for that than talking against Osho, the master of masters of masters. It is like someone questioning the ways of Buddha or Mahavira or even Gurdjieff. A stupid mortal like him can do nothing better. But I feel such people should be declared retarded and 'below human' by us. And just imagine this assole is a former Osho disciple. I wonder if that is true. And if true, then his stupidity attains almost gigantic proportions. It is like a two-dimensional man (I don't think this guy can be aware even of the third dimension), judging a 7-dimensional super-being.

What more to say of an utter idiot. Please, I request all Osho disciples to ignore this sub-human's sheer stupidities in the future...

Shunyakaya

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    babu: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Date: Sep 19, 2006, 19:03
    That last post was not from Chris Calder....

    I have read this in 'The Promise of Paradise' by (Satya Bharti Franklin) 1992 ... who also wrote 'Drunk on the Divine'...

    I took sannyas by mail in 1994...All I want is to hear someone address this from her book, she is well known..

    again this is not Chris Calder...

    babu

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sw. antar kailash: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Sep 20, 2006, 15:49
christopher here is a hug from everyone here to you. i learnt one thing from osho if not many and that is to love,love , love and love unconditionaly. i think you simply need some love in ur life. so here s a hug from each of us. god bless you.
second, you said urself that osho is a long gone etc. so why spend time in writing after him. if i were you and if i had believs like you then , i would rather do some positive work for humanity and do something to shower love in people's lives.

i dont care about meditation and englighments etc. a person with a heart full of love and compassion is much more needed in today's age. so i never arugment with anyone. i simply go and hug them and send them flowers. just like osho wanted to. lets not spread hate in this forum. i encourage everyone here to send one hug to christopher and let him feel the power of love.

love you all. let the dance continue ....

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    kinkazzo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    WWW: Apologetics and Calder
    Email: kinkazzo@yahoo.it
    Date: Oct 3, 2006, 13:29
    I think Christopher Calder is doing what must have been done after Christ's death by disciples (st Paul - who actually "created" Christ) and historiographers (e.g. Livy).
    It is needed, indeed it is.
    Cooling after the fact and assessing. Sure enough.

    No doubt Osho (and all his akas) was a clever and passionate man, somehow enlightened I'd say (but then we would have to enter into a specific debate about defining "enlightenment" ). Let's just say he had charisma, an enticing way of dealing with expectant people, and knew his literature. He filled a gap for the times - and young WASPs responded excitedly.
    Then all went up shitcreek, because he lost control: his revolution was too big for himself, people took advantage, money was flowing and... when that happens...well you know... money is the Mammon - the only True God for most. So: ruin in the States, retreat back to his Indian shores (or mountains rather), his brain no longer so functional and alert as it used to be... pity.
    Still, he had presence, hypnotic contact with his followers, and was...er...nice to look at!
    With him gone, only his industry is left. Again, it will follow in miniature what occurred to the Christian/Catholic Church... a machine in motion to acquire more power and more people... losing its fundamental reason d'etre in the process.

    Hey, Christopher, I think you've done a good job: others will too, whenever the occasion arises...

    Ciao
    -K
    an d have a look at this: http://kinkazzosho.blogsp ot.com



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      p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Oct 7, 2006, 11:27

      .. kink kazoo .... aliASS .... daub smear .......

      .. another self proclaiming priest ...................

      .. pontificating in blogspots of plagiarism ........

      .. now whining "help me" ......................... .....

      .. whilst "looking" for "parallels" in mirrors ......

      .. of calderschnelle arrogance ........................


      .. kink kazoo .... aliASS .... daub smear ........

      .. an obsequious self flatterer ........................


      .. at the "nadir" of "his" life ......................... ...

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frank: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: franklee@yahoo.com
Date: Oct 9, 2006, 17:04
hi mocliam.
you are such a creative and clear guy.
i think what you say is brilliant.
so perceptive.
we need more contributors like you.
keep up the genius work


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Anado Mclauchlin: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: anado@madebyanado.com
Date: Oct 11, 2006, 17:57
I can't believe this dribble...on both sides. Osho is dead and gone...EVERYBODY: Get a life!

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    p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
    Date: Oct 17, 2006, 11:46
    .. as he "get's a life" ......................... .....

    .. under "EVERYBODY's" prognosis .......

    .. in scribbles of petulant disdain .............

    .. 'anado' "I can't believe this ..................

    .. dribbles" on ......................... ..............

    .. the 'Mclauchlin' family name .................

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John: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: syf_usa@yahoo.com
Date: Oct 16, 2006, 18:22
I have come across more recent posting at other internet sites by Christopher Calder throwing same old dust and poison at Osho and Osho's people.
Christopher Calder is very systematically trying to spread a propaganda and intentionally creating a misunderstanding
and a fear for any new comer to the world of Osho. I do not think Christopher is just like any another honest Osho hater but to me
Christopher Calder's behavior is more like a CIA agent because:-
1. He is adopting a systematic middle path of sometime praising Osho and then ultimately creating a fear and negativity in a common man.
2. He is desperately promoting his home page which can be easily seen throughout his article and later posts/comments.
3. He is defending Government and denying any poisoning to Osho.
4. He is trying to mask himself as anti-US and anti-Bush etc. which most of the time is a out of context discussion and
he starts it out of nowhere.

Also it can be easily seen the cunningness in his attitude as below:-

1. He has very easily believed in the theories sex and drugs in Osho from the statements of third persons but at the same
time he does not want to believe anything which Osho said directly without basis of scientific proofs.
2. Different slow poisons have different symptoms and also based on the dosage of poison given, same can work differently.
In Osho's case, His body did far better being Him is in high spirit and in the atmosphere of the love of His people.
But still Osho's hair got all white very early as compared to his father and or normal body behavior. Also the symptoms
were there in other parts of his body including teeth and ears. But this Christopher Calder wants all the Osho hair
to be fallen before he can believe in slow poison as if Christopher himself has tasted thallium and has the perfect experience how it
works.

Wherever there are flowers there are thorns. Wherever there are Christs, there are Judases. Whenever there are Oshos, there are
Christopher-Calders.



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    p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
    Date: Oct 19, 2006, 12:33
    ..
    .. the 'american' "vested interests" ..............

    .. are tolerant of "calder's" ......................... .

    .. the 'american' "vested interests" ..............

    .. are dismissive of "john's" ........................

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babu: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Oct 17, 2006, 6:55
What about babu...you just want to disregard my questions by saying I am Chris Calder....

nice con game...

I am not Chris Calder and just coz someone has questions about what ex-sannyasins wrote like Ma Satya Bharati..you shouldn't lump them all into a 'Chris Calder Pot'. obvioulsy there were somje questioning sannyasins around way before mr cc....

dont be sheep with blinders and think all you question are ..."THEM"...


think about it at least...

babu

what the hell is wrong with you people?

Osho spoke of freedom you all treat him as if he was Jesus

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John: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: syf_usa@yahoo.com
Date: Oct 17, 2006, 17:48
Babu,The purpose of my writing was to say something about Christopher Calder who is a very organized agent desperately working full time on the internet to spread a psychological friction in the mind of a common person who is new comer to the Osho world.

I am not saying, babu, you are one of Christopher-Calders. May be it is Christopher Calder himself writing again under the new
name of "babu".

I remember to read a statement from somebody on net " Christopher Calder was never a true disciple of Osho.
He was never a sanyassin. He was just an onlooker. He is still a slave of his own little mind and does not know what love is,what Sanyaas is , what a Guru-Disciple relationship is and what no-mindness is. His mind is that of a cunning politician who always thinks in terms of Indian/American,white/bla ck"

Also I do not think we should spend much energy on the mind-oriented people and their cunning strategies and propoganda.
We should remain Guru-oriented and should open our hearts and spread love and name of Guru all over the world. New age is "Osho Age" and it has already appeared on the horizon. All the bogus religions are losing all the appeal on the Earth and Osho is smiling looking upon the earth to see
his blissful people singing and dancing everywhere. Future is all of Osho.


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    p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
    Date: Oct 19, 2006, 12:43
    ..
    .. " the purpose of ......................... .............."

    . . " I am not saying ......................... ........... "

    .. " I remember to ......................... ............. "

    .. " john " ...... tolerant of " calder's " .............


    .. " Also I do not think ......................... ....... "

    .. " We should remain ......................... ....... "

    .. 'john' .. dismissive of the " vested interests "


    .. the " vested interests " yawn on ................


    .. now ............. move ......................... ........


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    babu: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Date: Oct 24, 2006, 7:23
    stop turning osho into jesus or a deity you can do puja to...

    babu


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      John: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Date: Oct 24, 2006, 18:01
      Do not worry Babu. Nobody can make Osho a Jesus. Osho was well aware of it and listening to his discourse on f*ck and
      all his revolutionary talks, nobody can dare to put him in the box like a jesus.

      But at the same time, it does not mean you can misinterpret the historical facts around Osho to befool humanity and create a fear and friction between a common man and Osho. Osho is for every human being on Earth and a great hope for the survival of Earth and humanity. The section of organized religions and fundamentalists is intentionally trying to spread propaganda so that a common man is scared of Osho. The movie “Guru” was a part of this strategy as well. All these people are working very desperately to detach a common man from Osho so that they can continue to dominate masses and keep people in the clutches of their organized religions.
      Osho! Ya-Hoo!!!




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adhir bodhi: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: adhir_light@yahoo.co.in
Date: Mar 25, 2007, 19:07
hello chris,
i`m reading all the stuff for years apart from this i read millions of scintific reaserch papers in the last 20 years i must tell u this very fact that even enlightenment is a serious psychological problem akind of hallucination where ur frontal lobe functions abnormal this very fact had been proved very scintificaly by allowing 36 healthy people free from any psycological deficits are enjoyed a trip of enlightenment like experienc at jones hopkins university school of medicine baltimor conducted by r.r. griffith ps remember the artical of german herald editorial stating that man can not make any object flying on the eve of right brothers historic first aeroplane flight.

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ANDY: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: shankargaur@yahoo.com
Date: Mar 27, 2007, 22:30
Calder,

Forget Osho, if you were to follow Buddha's teaching, STOP JUDGING and start practicing what u preach.

If you are just like CNN or BBC then I have not complaints as I switch these channels off as I find them nothing more than barking dogs.

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Nirvana Kr: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: purodha@yahoo.com
Date: Apr 5, 2007, 8:47
Very Interesting. After a long time...I could read something with patience and enjoyment.

3 Cheers for getting me involved as a reader in yr attempts.

take care.

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Nirvana Kr.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: purodha@yahoo.com
Date: Apr 5, 2007, 8:56
It appears as some people know FACTS and some are capable of extracting new FACTS/TRUTHS from them.

I wish Car/Rocket was here even Newton did not exist.
I wish JHTENDGTY was not here because 'Thwsg Gthedfvg' did not exist.



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ma prem vineeta: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: sabinegarry@aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2007, 10:29
after reading all the different posts i understand the story of the blind men who are experts in discribing how an elephant looks like based on the parts they touch with their hands, and than endlessly argue among themselfs about it. some got stuck with the tail end and sitting in the giant pile of elephant poop, like Krishna Christ, describing the Truth of elephant Hahahahha Its very funny.Wake up people and stop throwing shit around claiming it to be the elephant.

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Raghav: e-mail me
Email: sunnysunny@mail.ru
Date: Jul 25, 2007, 14:11
My Namaskaar to all the sanyasins and osho followers. Can someone guide me that from which book or article of Osho could I find the detail meaning of this sentence if it was ever said by Bhagwan. ``What you tell them is true, but what I tell them (the useful lies) is good for them." Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh 1975
If possible kindly please send me the referance book and article , so that I can read Bhagwan personal view point about these words. What I think is that bhagwan is just talking not directly about the Nirwana but about the hints to reach there which are just like the ways to reach the truth , while the ways itself cannot explain the real truth. But still I would like to read the detail view point of Bhagwan on this sentence if it was said by him. Thanks and waiting for response



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Raghav: RE:kindly send me the link
Email: dr_sunny1977@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Jul 25, 2007, 14:37
My Namaskaar to all the sanyasins and osho followers. Can someone guide me that from which book or article of Osho could I find the detail meaning of this sentence if it was ever said by Bhagwan. ``What you tell them is true, but what I tell them (the useful lies) is good for them." Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh 1975
If possible kindly please send me the referance book and article , so that I can read Bhagwan personal view point about these words. What I think is that bhagwan is just talking not directly about the Nirwana but about the hints to reach there which are just like the ways to reach the truth , while the ways itself cannot explain the real truth. But still I would like to read the detail view point of Bhagwan on this sentence if it was said by him. Thanks and waiting for response



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Raghav: hello
Email: dr_sunny1977@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Jul 25, 2007, 14:40
What I was asking was to just tell me the name of the book so that I could find it and may be read the article

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Bob: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Jul 25, 2007, 17:12
Here is a web page here surprisingly you will find same to same just word to word ,, same story about Osho which is published in other web sites by a person called Christopher ,,, here the name of same person is Yen Phuong ,, I think he is just functioning by changing his names.

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Bob: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Jul 25, 2007, 17:13
Here is a web page here surprisingly you will find same to same just word to word ,, same story about Osho which is published in other web sites by a person called Christopher ,,, here the name of same person is Yen Phuong ,, I think he is just functioning by changing his names.

http://community.viet fun.com/archive/index.php /t-307385.html

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    Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: athomson@gmail.com
    Date: Jul 25, 2007, 23:16
    I have been reading Mr calder´s work for some time now. I am a university schollar.I am not , nor have ever been a disciple
    Ib have been doing research on osho / rajneesh´s work for over 22 years. I have interviewed lots of his earlyst disciples as well as forme ones. I visited poona 8 times. I think some of the points with calder´s articles are interesting, but most of them are just fabricatons and suppositions from him. Quoting rajneesh nowadays means nothing. The man spoke for 35 years and you can find a quote for anything, from gardening to parenting to wall papers. Unless you have the whole chapter´s content of a quote it loses any value.
    I personally spoke to the team of doctors who saw rajneesh on his late illeness. They came up with the idea of thalium, due to the fact that his symtoms were classicals of poisoning by a heavy metal ( not nitrous oxide exposure). Thalium is the only one that can not be traced after some times.And the loss of hair is not in the beard… that is simply stupid. The hair loss is always up in the head. Regarding rajneesh´s use of drugs. Most of the information comes from Hugh milne´s book. Milne fabricates several stories that is too long for now to describe. I know this because I personally talked to a lot of people mentioned in his book, including former girlfriends who refute his stories and also add that he was really angry and hurt and was pushed by the editors to exagerate or add some more color to the stories. The facts: Rajneesh used laughing gas as a sedative during his dental sesions. Never alone or in other circumstances. His personbal dentist and asístant can be a witness to it. They would have never allowed someone with such a delicate health, we must remember that people were sniffed to come a meter close to him, to inhale nitrus oxide unless it was necesary. The sory of the man drugged all the time is a fabrication...or a supposition of mr: Calder.
    In relation to mr Calder´s theory of the tiredness symdrom as a cause for his health. There is no such a thing as a proven scientific fact. Recently a Georgia´s court in the USA dismissed a case arguing this illness for lacking of scientific truth.
    Mr Calder´s article feels like a resentful lover, like someone deeply hurt or dissapointed... well if I would have got the name KrishnaChist...I would certainly be quite angry.
    One last point. Calder mocks the development of psychotherpeutic groups with a trnspersonal orientation such as they developed around rajneesh. The worls of western humanistic-transpersonal psychotherapy changed for eber due to Rajneesh input and experimentation in this area. this has beed documented in several scientific papers in the field of modern psychotherapy
    Anthony Thompson Ph. D.


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      Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
      Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
      Date: Aug 3, 2007, 19:07
      Anthony Thompson Ph.D has piled allot of misinformation and lies into just a few paragraphs. A "Ph D" does not mean much if the person is basically dishonest at his core. Rajneesh's illegal drug use is well documented and was finally admitted to by his dentist. See the links and documentation on my page on Rajneesh-Osho at:

      http://home.att.ne t/~meditation/Osho.html

      People want to believe in saints and superheros, but there are only fallible human animals made from DNA sculptured mud. I once wrote about the mud people, and have pasted those words below.
      ----------------- ---------------------
      Th e mud people of planet earth

      Human beings are literally made of mud, a mixture of earth and water, intricately woven through complex chemistry to create tissue, organs, and bone. All the basic atomic elements in the human body can be found in the mud we come from, and all life forms on earth are made of the same basic materials through the blueprint of DNA.

      Beware the myths of the brain

      The human brain is intelligent enough to realize that as soon as we are born the clock starts ticking on our finite life span. Plants, insects, mammals, and all life forms on earth have finite life spans, because we are all made of a complex mixture of earth and water, not some invincible metal that cannot rot, burn, be crushed, or torn apart. Even our own personal DNA breaks down over time, and the human structure collapses along with the very blueprint that created it.

      To counter the fear of our inevitable death, the brain creates myths of souls, reincarnation, saviors, Gods, and heavens. The myths act as morphine and dull the fear of death, but they also lead to war, mind control, and larceny on a grand scale. The human brain is capable of accepting facts or creating myths to hide the real facts. In the long run, it is better to choose fact over myth, because then at least you know who and where you are.

      If you judge humans using the mythical spiritual model, then we all look like failures, creatures with supernatural souls who just cannot seem to evolve enough to end wars, corruption, and conflict. If, on the other hand, you look at humans as the mud people of planet earth, then you are amazed at how far we actually have come. Mud creatures can enjoy cosmic consciousness, build civilizations and advanced technology, and they transfer their knowledge from one generation of mud people to the next. In that more realistic light, we are not doing so bad, considering we are all just very complicated hunks of animated, living, breathing, very wet soil.

      see: http://home.att.net/~medi tation/soul.html

      Christopher Calder


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Klaus S: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: klause@bredband.net
Date: Aug 2, 2007, 17:13
Christopher, I think you are a brave and clear-minded man, but I think you get somewhat too "atheistic". There are more things than mere "rumours" aiding the hope of finding a heart and mind in the center of the Universe. Personally I am a hopeful agnostic regarding that. While it's true that UG Krishnamurti debunked most everything, J Krishnamurti did not do that. If you read his conversations with physicist D Bohm, he speaks of metaphysical stuff like the human mind beyond the individual mind, beyond that the Universal mind, the Void and the ground beyond that. "Intelligent? Oh, Yes." he commented upon that. He also said in an interview for a Swedish newspaper in the beginning of the eighties, that scientist would not find the cre of the mind inside the skull, "it goes beyond the brain".
I'm not arguing that these sayings of J Krishnamurti settles things once and for all, you might be right in your beliefs, but it is not truthful to align J.K. with an all-materialistic worldview.
Regarding Osho - I felt bad about that guy already in the seventies, I felt he was a seducer, but I also get the impression from reading the "conversation" here that you are so utterly disappointed and angered that you are at risk of falling in the ditch on the other side of the road. Remeber the words of Martin Luther: "Man is like a drunkard who wiggles from one ditch to the other, often falling into them"

moc.liamtoh at - do you have a mental disorder or are you some kind of a Gollum-figure? Meaningless, repetitive, fragmented echoes from what others said. Really tragic.

With regards

Klaus S

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    p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
    Date: Aug 3, 2007, 17:38

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    Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
    Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
    Date: Aug 3, 2007, 20:46
    Klaus S.,

    Both Krishnamurtis were products of Hindu Indian culture, and their brains were deeply affected by their surroundings and upbringing. In his early years, J. Krishnamurti talked of walking with God and "reincarnation." ; In his later years, following the same pattern as Ramana Maharshi, J. Kishnamurti rejected all of that supernatural stuff and only talked about the brain, the cosmos, consciousness, the things that actually exist in fact, not just in religious fiction. Religious fiction in the East is a mixing up of cosmic consciousness, which is a very real phenomena, with the romantic part of the brain which was created by evolution to make us fall in love so we can procreate and continue the species. The same internal brain wiring that creates sexuality and romantic love, with all its unrealistic fantasies, also creates the Harry Potter style myths of religious superheros, saints, Gods, souls, reincarnation, etc. Romance is great fun, but we all have to grow up some day, and J. Krishnamurti grew up and rejected any idea of God or soul, and so did U.G. Krishnamurti and Ramana Maharshi. Even Rajneesh-Osho finally admitted there was no reincarnation, even though reincarnation was the very basis of his life's teaching. Without soul and reincarnation, nothing he said made any sense, and he finally admitted that in essence, his entire life's teaching was false and ridiculous. The drugs he took allowed him to briefly tell the truth, even if that truth would harm his guru business.

    All the great cosmic men we admire so much had phases in their lives and brain development, just like we do. They all made foolish mistakes of judgment in their youth, just like we did. When the raging sexual hormones of youth diminish, and the brain becomes more sober, then the sages can more accurately report that Its all in the brain (quote from U.G., but J.K. said the same thing in different words).

    The average brain weighs only about 3 pounds, and is largely made of hydrocarbon atom strings. The hydrogen and carbon atoms in your brain were created in stars and supernova explosions. Our brains ARE cosmic, and what they become aware of becomes part of the brain itself. When you look at the stars on a clear night in the country, you are overwhelmed. There are billions of visible stars and galaxies that are so far away that their light took centuries to travel the great distances of space to finally land on the retinas of your eyes. Your 3 pound hunk of organic, living brain tissue is connected to all of the stars in the universe, and one cannot really say where the brain ends and the universe, with its infinite numbers of stars, begins. You cannot have a brain alone without all the rest of the universe which created it.

    You interact with humans every day, and you are aware of the 6.7 billion people on earth in a multitude of ways, and those billions of people become part of your brain as well, and all add to the collective unconscious. None of us exist alone, and we are all vast beings with consciousness that extends to the far reaches of the universe. The dividing lines of life are subjective creations of utility. The grand cosmic picture makes us alive, creates us, and when we see the grand cosmic picture, we realize that we are it, not separate. That is what J. Krishnamurti meant when he said that consciousness "goes beyond the brain."

    Christoph er

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      Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Date: Aug 6, 2007, 0:06
      Dear
      Mr. Calder
      Dear Mr. Calder. I do not think Osho was super human. I do not judge his behaviour in those terms. I do not have more misinformation than you have: That is second hand knowledge of the facts I was not a wittness to. Such as Rajneesh using drugs. His dentist, Dvageet did not admit to what you say. I personally talked to him, which you did not do. And he said that he used nitrous oxide during dental sessions, which is when he dictated to him the books glimpses of a golden childhood and notes of a mad man, under the effect of this drug. Rajneesh never used the gas outside this enviroment.And this was confirmed by his doctor,his caretaker and by his dentist. What you said is not right and , again is based only on Milnes book. A second hand source...
      The rest of your article is just suppositions and personal opinions. You never had any personal contact with rajneesh, except from the time in woodlands, so what you suppose he did in his room is just supposition. I am not a psycho-.neurologist so I can not discusse your opinions on brain functioning, but, sir, I am an expert on rajneesh and I can tell the difference between facts an opinions. Rajneesh was no god enlightenment I can not judge. I do not even know if this exist. But This man contributed to the field of Transpersonal psychology in a way that can only be compared to Freud in relation to the psychodynamic theory field. You mention that the inclusion of growth groups in his ashram was to get Money. I can not judge his intentions mine and yours are only opinions. But what I can judge was the impact of this revolutionary experiment in the field of therapy And it was enormous.
      Again, Rajneeshs quotes can today only be analysed in the whole context of a chapter not out of it. The man did something great for the evolution of mankind. This is my opinion after my research. Again, I am not his disciple. I am nobodys disciple.
      I can state my opinios but if we talk about Truths, either lost or not , we can not mix suppositions with facts. And that is what you do.
      Fact: the man died at an early age of an illness which symtoms seemed like heavy metal poisoning such as thalium. This was said by an internacional team of non sannyasins doctors.
      Fact: His personal dentist an eye witnesses stated he used this drug only during dental sessions weather he liked it or not i do not know I supposse he did.
      He used valium a couple of times as a pain killer. As it was reported to me by his doctor amrito
      Your assumptions: He took laughing gas beyond the normal, he took too much valium died of its effects.
      Now, if he lied or noti do not know. Neither do you.
      I am open to disscusse point by point your suppositions on any subject related to rajneesh just mention a subject.. and here we go
      Regards
      Anthony Thompson



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      p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
      Date: Aug 6, 2007, 17:13

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phil: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email:
Date: Aug 6, 2007, 22:58
chris calder,
you say osho `s denist admited that osho took illegal drugs.
the dentist clearly did not say this

why are you lying?
you have many interesting,challenging things to say about osho,mysticism and religion,so why are you lying?

maybe you believe that it is neccesary to lie for people`s own good.

sounds familiar?

you are fond of saying that `all osho peopleare dishonest`

oh dear,mr kris christ.
you should never have taken sannyas should you?you are one of us,then!?

i feel that you could make a breakthrough in your consciousness if you could self-accept your own lying self.

see you in the mud flats of eternity.
all the best,

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sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Aug 8, 2007, 21:52
chris

you can attempt to prove/disprove osho,
but there wasn't/isn't any'one'



:)


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    Anthont Thompson Ph. D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Date: Aug 9, 2007, 0:42
    I thought to solve out the nitrous oxide controversy I would reproduce part of a letter that Devageet, oshos private dentist said about this subject that Mr . Calder is suppose to be quoting:
    "Osho never used nitrous oxide, I used it, as his dentist, during his dental treatment sessions. Osho, as other masters have demonstrated ( see Nikhilananda taking a massive dose of LSD on his first meeting with Guru Ram Dass, and showing no effects whatsoever), showed that the effects of Nitrous Oxide during his dental treatment had no effects of diminishing his clarity and awareness. He repeatedly showed that he could easily use the physiological effects of relaxation for a creative purpose, hence the three books dictated while in the dental chair: Notes of a Madman, Books I have loved, and Glimpses of a Golden Childhood.
    Having said that I can speak about aspects which do not betray that trust. Nitrous Oxide is a valid and valued analgesic and anaesthetic agent, as you know, and it still provides the basis of anaesthetic techniques because of its proven track record of safety and efficacy. It is a fact too that people have used it for leisure purposes. Osho was given nitrous oxide in a purely dental context."
    This is an eyewitness account of the subject. Not second hand information.
    This was taken fromna a letter sent to a forum called Osho beyond bondage.
    I am waiting for mr calders reply,
    Anthony Thompson PH.D.


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      Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      WWW: home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html
      Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
      Date: Aug 12, 2007, 4:20
      Devageet is a crazy person. Years ago he denied to me emphatically that Rajneesh used NO2 except for dental surgery, and then a few months later he publicly admitted on a Osho Web forum that he gave Rajneesh N02 for months on end, and that Rajneesh used the drug because it "increased his creativity." No one dictates books while having dental surgery, and no dental surgery lasts for months. Rajneesh took 60 milligrams of Valium every day for years as well.
      Osho's drug use was documented by the FBI.

      See:

      http://www.sannyasnew s.com/Articles/OshoDental Chair.html - Osho in the Dental Chair

      Rajneesh had nitrous oxide spigots installed by his bed at the ranch in Oregon. Did he have dental surgery in bed?

      See:

      http://ho me.att.net/~meditation/We aver.html -Jim Weaver's first hand account of Osho's NO2 spigots at the ranch

      For a Ph.D. you have very poor reading comprehension skills, and you are not an honest human being. On my Web page I never said that Osho died of a Valium overdose, I said that the official cause of his death was listed as heart failure, but there was much speculation he committed suicide. If he did commit suicide, I am sure they used morphine or barbiturates, not Valium, which is not lethal except in massive doses.

      Please, the debate about Osho's drug use is over, except for the most insane followers. Rajneesh was a drug addict, and I have received letters from dozens of sannyasins who were at the ranch and in Poona who confirm this proven fact. I knew Rajneesh in Bombay and in Poona until August of 1975. When I visited the Oregon ranch in the 1980s I could tell he was on drugs just by looking at him. No one even had to tell me. Rajneesh was destroyed by illness and by his own drug use, but what killed his teaching was his dishonesty. No one could rationalize lying and criminal behavior like Rajneesh. His teaching was false, and his guru empire collapsed from the weight of its own corruption. It is a sad story, but those are the facts.

      Christopher Calder
      http://home.att.n et/~meditation/


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        Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: response to Mr. calder
        Date: Aug 12, 2007, 22:01
        Mr. Calder. If you wish to be so kind to tell me where Devageet says that osho took "N02 for months on end". Because I have not found where he said so. Moreover, what he said in the Osho forum was what I quoted before.
        The FBI information on how much valium Osho took came from an Interview that Sheela gave to the Stern magazine in Germany... that was their source. They also tryed to get this information reseraching on how much valium was the commune bying on a monthly basis. The records they got where the records for a 5000 people community. So it is hard to say who was getting the valium and in what quantity... so they guess it what all for rajneesh. the only two people with access to such information where vivek and devaraj and i doubt anyone of them gave you such information. vivek is dead and devaraj, amrito, told me otherwise.
        The article you quote from the FBI is just a guess on their part based on Milne´s book. How can you tell when you have "spigots installed by his bed at the ranch in Oregon" that these are for NO2 ? How do we know it even had spogots? Just guess work. And if it was the case what the hell was he calling dental sessions for... he could have just relaxed in his bed... or why have "all the teeth removed" to get access to NO2, as you suggest, if he had it by the bed. If he has it in the rach , so in poona two, no?
        I do not think any debate is over, and again I am not a follower just a research investigator.
        You were never close to rajneesh. Visiting poona or the ranch means you only saw him on stage... difficult to know what he did in private. So you could tell he was on drugs? Wow.. perceptive. How? by the way he walked? he spoke? his eyes?... and this from 40 meters far away... I do not think you got from seat at the ranch. And then, after you saw him stoned he was able to drive back to his house in the rach roads completley drugged with valium and N02. if he could do that in those conditions that would simple means he was enlightened for sure... I do not know anyone who can do that. Please sir, just guess work and fantasy on your side.
        what is said in sannyas news is also guess work from Parmartha. I can not confirm what the dozen of sannyasins told you from the ranch. But I can say that the only people who had personal access to rajneesh during that time were sheela, vivek, devageet, devaraj, ashu, hasya, Isabel and aseema. Now you tell me whom of these people told you what they saw.?

        And the last thing... his empire as you call it not only did not collapse it got a boost. osho´s books are sold more than ever... there are over 100 titles in spanish and and millions are sold world wide. His commune in poona is packed with more that 6000 people all the time, most of them are not sannyasins.
        finnaly I would like to reproduce a quote from alal, one of devageet´s assistants:
        Just a few comments on the above story, to put it in to perspective, spetiually in realation to Parmartha article that you quote.

        "It is assumed throughout the article that Osho 'regularly used nitrous oxide' in the dental chair, without any clarification of what 'regularly' means. It could mean once or twice a year. But the assumption, or rather, the implication here is that it was on a daily basis. One does not get nitrous poisoning just by using it a few times a year. And yet there is absolutely no evidence that Osho used laughing gas more than that. Nor that he had nitrous poisoning. We are just asked to accept this as "fact".
        So, first, lets take away that assumption....

        By the end of the fifth paragraph Parmartha is already talking about "Osho's addiction" based on the above assumption. As an indirect support he introduces Gurdjieff's "addiction" to alcohol and food. After all, Masters, they are all the same aren't they?
        By the eigth paragraph we've entered the realm of conspiracy theory, the Inner Circle are attempting a cover up, again, without any evidence to back it up.

        We finally end up in the Conclusion, where it is assumed that the case is proven. Anyone who disagrees is obviously in a state of denial: enlightend and drugs! Shock horror! We hear that Gurdjief quaffed two bottles of Armagnac a day and Jesus liked "more than a glass of wine a day", nudge nudge, know what I mean.

        To me, this whole piece is smoke and mirrors. State something as a fact with no proof and then build upon that "fact", bringing in what,in law is called "circumstantial evidence" to support the theory.

        I'm not saying its wrong, I just want to point out that it has no solid foundation underneath it.

        FWIW, during the Ranch and in Poona 2 I was the dental room technician, responsible for looking after the equipment. Unless Osho was having surreptitious sessions without my knowledge, he wasn't using gas on a daily, or even weekly basis. He did have an annoying tendency to want a session at strange times (6am in the morning?) but that was Devageets problem.
        Love jalal"
        I am waiting for your reply Mr. Calder.
        Anthony Thompson Ph. D.

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          Christopher Calder: RE:response to Mr. calder
          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html
          Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
          Date: Aug 13, 2007, 2:05
          Anthony, I can tell from your writing that you are crazy person too. You have to be crazy to say the things you say and claim to be a "scholar." Nowhere do I suggest Rajneesh had his teeth removed to obtain access to N20 (nitrous oxide). He could get all he wanted just by asking for it. You cannot even read or think straight and yet you claim to be a Ph.D. Osho went insane, and why he had most of his teeth removed is a mystery. The only reason I suspected was that he thought perhaps his mercury fillings were poisoning him. That was my speculation, which I clearly stated was speculation.

          You are in denial and you are a crazy person. The whole Osho cult is full of neurotic, dishonest people who cannot think clearly and who have no interest in the facts. Many people at Poona saw the nitrous oxide canisters piled up at Rajneesh's bungalow, and they knew what it was for. He was not having dentistry done every day. Osho admitted his N20 use and talked about it openly. The FBI had records of how much N20 was delivered to the ranch. The Valium was smuggled in from Mexico.

          The point is Osho people are a cult that rejects truth in favor of fantasy. It is like trying to tell a Christian fanatic that Jesus was not born by virgin birth and could not walk on water. If you cannot stand the realities of life you retreat into fantasy, and your mind will come up with all kinds of excuses to persevere that fantasy, no matter how ridiculous. You need to grow up, and stop trying to make excuses for corrupt gurus.

          If you say I was never close to Osho, then just ask Ma Yoga Mukta, Ma Yoga Karuna, Swami Yoga Chinmaya, Ravi, or even Ma Yoga Laxmi. All of the early people know better. You can lie all day and make ridiculous statements about things you know nothing about, but at some point you yourself have to realize that you have nothing in your head but neurosis. Cults attract neurotic people and neurotic people read Osho's fictional books. His books are Harry Potter for adults, people who want to escape the real world. Fantasy sells more than fact, and that is why Osho outsold U.G. Krishnamurti. Osho took nitrous oxide to get high, and to "increase his creativity." To tell the truth you do not need to be creative at all, you just have to state the facts. Osho needed creativity to lie, to create fiction to sell to the masses. The naive want to believe the myths, so anyone who tells the truth about their false God is considered an enemy. It is just like L. Ron Hubbard and the Scientology cult. Osho, like Hubbard, proved that people will believe anything. A man (Osho) who stated that he made love to his young female disciples because it would ensure their enlightenment in a future life cannot be trusted. There are no future lives, and there is no "enlightenment" in the sense Osho used the word. Rajneesh/Osho's police record is fact, his "wisdom" is 100% myth.

          Christopher Calder



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            Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:response to Mr. calder
            Date: Aug 13, 2007, 5:43
            Wow. I did not mean o shake you up like this. We are just chit chatting... an intelectual play. But your passion shows that i touched some soft spot. Also, so much mentioning of my degree seems to reflect some inferiority. It is just a degree,. It does not mean I am higher than you. I am just disagreeing with your arguments. And your anger plays against this game of us. The fact that i do not agree with you does not mean that i am crazy, or the fact I have a different second hand information than you, does not make me a dishonest and neurotic human being. This is just sheer agression on your part. And again, i am not osho´s diciple so please do not reffer to me in those terms. I have nothing against anyone being a disciple, but it is just not may case. I will discuss your arguments in a minute, but first i want to clarify that i do not agree with your statement of Osho´s movement being a cult. Some of the prerequisites to have a cult is to have sistemathic body or set of beliefs. As you know, and have consistently argued, Rajneesh contradicted himself a lot. It is 'practically imposible to create a cult out of his words. the only consistent idea is that of meditation. The rest is simple not sistemathic. Second, you need rituals that people can join to. And nowadays there is nothing like that. Even the celebraton of his death and birthday, and his pictures, or the sannyas giving have been removed as official celebrations in the osho resort. Just go there and see if you see any blid cult. Third, a cult does not admit disent and you and I are writing in a sannyas owned website and the quotes you take from parmarrtha are also discussions in sannyas websites. Fourth, you need someone to believe in and rajnneesh himself advised his disciples not to believe in him unless it was their direct experience.
            Ok , your points. Osho´s teeth fell off during his last year in Poona. Not all of them, of course, but quite some quantity. The spetialist consulted by devageet said that he had only seen such deterioration ina jaw bone in cases of radio exposure. devageet did not take his teeth off... the fell. And this is not speculation.
            Osho said that devageet used N02 gas during dental sessions as you can see in "notes of a mad man". I doi not recall any other instance where he " talked openkly" about it. And the discussion is not wether this gas was used as anasthetic, but rather wether it was used recreationally by the man. Which again, his closest people involved denied.
            If you please can supply the records of the FBI of the mexico smugglinb and the huge amount of gas, or at least give me the address of the page where you got this information. because in all my years of research I have never come accross this.

            In relation to the paragraph where you tell me to grow up I do not see this master as a super human or godlike entity. In fact i think we could discuss points where i do not agree with him. So, your remark is not for me or what I have said.

            I do not doubt that the early disciples you mention knew you in the times of woodlands. I can not ask laxmi... she is dead, mukta is quite old.. and chinmaya I have not seen him for a while. What i say is that the events that we have been discussing ocuur in a time that you were not even hundred meters near the guy. i know that you liked him as the archarya and got desilutioned of bhagwan and Osho, But what i say is that you got second hand information that according to my first hand sources is incorrect.
            what you say he said or did to his famale disciples comes from satya bharti´s last book unless you hold the camera when he was having sex or touching some girl and making the statement you quote, back in woodlands. I do not think he was celibate, but so far i have not get one sigle girl to admit to have had sex with the man... if you have a name would be great.
            regarding police records... Rajneesh was facing the Reagan administration which was as fascist as the present Bush, which you fight: S,o I am sure that you can understand that not all this is trust worthy. However, as far as police records is concerned, he was just accused of imigration fraud, sham marriges and stuff anf of lying on the turist visa application, in the sense that he said he did not intend to stay in the states and later he tryed to. Those are the "terrible" crimes he was sentenced in the plea bargin.
            Finally, all the crimes, the salmonella poisoning, the intent of murder of devaraj, and of the attorney general, the bugging of the commune, including rajneesh´s room commited by sheela and friends were exposed by rajneesh and it was him who invited the FBI to investigate these crimes that ultematley lead to the capture of sheela and friends in germany. If he had kept silent noone would have ever guessed or known about them. Remember that the salmonella poisoning in the dalles was attributed to " unproper food handling" by the authorities. So rajneesh´s criminal records are just imigration frauds... the rest it is sheela´s and he was the one to denouce it. Finally, in your article you said osho lied about not knowing about the wire tappings. I do not think he sent his room to be bugged. Also he did not denouce sheel when he suspected she was stealing, but when she left and ppeople started comming up with the stories of her crimes.
            One last question. If rajneesh was such a horrible caracter, why did you keep on seeing him over and over the time?...did you like the dynamic meditation... and your own version of it?
            best Regards. I wait for your reply
            Anthony... No ph. d. to upset you

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              Christopher Calder: RE:response to Mr. calder
              WWW: home.att.net/~meditation/wrong-way.html
              Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
              Date: Aug 18, 2007, 19:31
              Anthony,

              Boy, you are a devious character, trying to slip through the cracks of logic and proven fact again and again. All of Rajneesh's drug use was exposed by the FBI, local Oregon law enforcement, and published in newspapers around the country. People clearly saw the nitrous oxide spigots installed by his bedside. When you get to the point that you have nitrous oxide spigots custom installed by your bed, you are a very serious nitrous oxide addict, not just a casual user.

              Devageet stated that he gave Rajneesh nitrous oxide "treatments" for months. Nitrous oxide is not a "treatment". It cures no disease! Its only legitimate use is as an anesthetic. Are you saying that Rajneesh had dental surgery for months? That makes you a crazy person! Are you saying that Rajneesh dictated books while having dental surgery? That makes you a crazy person! Try going to a local dentist where you live and ask him to give you "nitrous oxide treatments" to increase your creativity, and so you can dictate books to your secretary while under the influence. You are a crazy, dishonest person who speaks out of every corner of your mouth. You make insane, illogical, dishonest statements and yet you expect to be taken seriously.

              In e-mail correspondents to me, Devageet admitted that Rajneesh also took large amounts of Valium, but insanely stated that Rajneesh was "not addicted," but that "his body needed it." That is the definition of addiction! Talking out of both sides of your mouth is a common trait of Rajneesh disciples, and trying to wiggle around proven facts to continue your worship of a fraud is insane activity. The Osho cult has degenerated into a cult of liars and the mentally ill. It was not always like that, but the more sane people are long gone and want nothing to do with this cult.

              Rajneesh invited me to live at his apartment in Bombay, and I lived in the room right across the hall from him. Rajneesh had tremendous power, and he used special effort and energy transmissions on disciples he favored. I know what he was capable of, and I know he had a special gift given him by nature and an accident of birth. The problem is, all the rest of it, all the supernatural stuff was made up and borrowed from books and tradition. He talked about souls, talking to ghosts, and remembering past lives, and it was all just a gimmick to get more disciples. The more disciples you get, the more money and power you get. I am not saying Rajneesh was a complete fraud in the sense that he had nothing to offer. I just draw a clear line between what was good about him and where he went wrong, so that others in the future will not make the same tragic mistakes.

              You seem to revel in making the same mistakes over and over, and that is insane behavior. All your screws are not tight! Accepting reality, warts and all, is a part of growing up and becoming an adult. Osho people don't want to do that. They want to be children forever, and that is what they are. Being an adult has its own rewards, and Osho people will never know the satisfaction of surrendering to the facts and trying to make the best of life as it is, without the childish fantasy. That brings a more sober kind of meditation, but it really does feel better than nurturing dishonesty and delusion.

              Christopher Calder


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                Anthony Thompson: RE:response to Mr. calder
                Date: Aug 20, 2007, 0:17
                Dear Mr. Calder. i do not think I have been insulted so much in a single letter since High school. Again, I would love that you give me access to your FBI reports, because all I have are guessing statements made by FBI agents printed in "the Oregonian". Perhaps you have a better source, because, so far it is just opinions. There´s no such a thing as "nitrous oxide spigots customed made". What there is are spigots... if we trust the report.... what are those for?... guessing, sir guessing. This guess comes from and IRS agent that met Hugh Milne in London in mid 80 s..
                Of course I can not say anything in relation to what devageet told you privately... no way to verify it for me... so I will not comment on that. I can only know what devageet has said on the subject. Which is different from what you say. I am still waiting for your FBI report on the smugling from mexico and the purchase of N02.
                You say "You are a crazy, dishonest person who speaks out of every corner of your mouth. You make insane, illogical, dishonest statements and yet you expect to be taken seriously". Again this is just sheer insult and agression. When you run out of arguments you treat me like this.
                I do not know why are you so upset. because I do not agree with you? because I have different information than you? Who is the insane person here? who reacts childishly?
                You did not answer my question on what were you doing seeing rajneesh over and over the years.
                I am very sorry that you want to put me in a box of an Idea you have about me being whatever suits you idea of some " blind follower". I have found rajneesh´s diciples to be open, free, honest, educated, intelligent...fanatic, uneducated, unintelligent, careless people... as every body. As anywhere when you have a group of people... they are who they are. Ii do not think there is a brand here. All I see is your resentment with different facts and then putting me down in descreditting what I say. Sir, let us have an informed discussion...newpaper´s clips are not proofs... please!
                Regards
                Anthony Thompson... still a bit insecure to add the Ph. D.
                Do not insult me ...argue!



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                  Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:response to Mr. calder ...adding something more
                  Date: Aug 20, 2007, 17:12
                  Dear. Mr Calder. I would also like to add some more arguments to my last reply.
                  To my reply that the N02 was used in dental sessions only, you replyed “No one dictates books while having dental surgery, and no dental surgery lasts for months.” First, the books were dicteted in “the context” of dental sessions. It does not mean that he was speaking with the drill in his mouth...which is quite difficult indeed. We do not know how long the team of Devaraj, Devageet and their assitance Ashu and nityuamo stayed together listening to Osho. Second, two of the so called Books “Notes of a mad man” and “ books I have loved” are actually small panflets. Consisting of 13 sessions the first and 16 sessions the second. Both are samall books, althou they have been printed to look like glossy hardbounds in recent editions, the original ones were paperbacks with colourful pictures in them with a size not exeeding a pocked book. If you read outloud what is said in each session it would not take you more than 8 minutes and in some cases no more than 2. The other book “ Glimpses of a golden childhood” is actually a thik lenghthy book that was spoken at the beginning of Osho´s residence in Rajneeshpuram , Oregon. Althou it is considerable bigger than the other two books. If you read any cahpter outloud it will not take you more than 15 minutes. Those are the lengths he spoke for each session. After or before any dental work.
                  Second. You say Rajneesh said he spoke with ghosts, reincarnation and soul. All these ideas have been contradicted by himself in some way or another during the years. He said that ghost were fictions ( From bondage to feedom, 1985), that there is no soul or reicarnation ( reincarbnation a misconception, 1988) and that "enlightenment is just to realize that there is nothing to achieve". (Hammer on the rock, 1976) he never said he was infallible, in fact he repeatedly said the contrary.(Interviews with the press, 1985)
                  a final quote for you:
                  said “ You need not agree whith what I say; you can only agree with me directly. There is no need to como through what I say. I say a thousand and one things and I contradict myself everyday. If you start agreeing with me you will go mad! You can´t agree; nobody can´t agree with a fwhat I say . You can anly agree witha few points but those wil not be all that i say. Contradiction is my method. I go on shattering. I go on shocking, offending people; that is may method, to shatter people´s beliefs” (Osho, 1980, The Open Secret).
                  regards. wainting for your reply, not agression please.
                  Anthony Thompson Ph. D

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phil: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: phil@yahoo
Date: Aug 13, 2007, 15:21
hi chris,
first you claim that devageet `admitted that osho took illegal drugs`.by way of `evidence`for your `case`
that is clearly a lie.
all these drugs mentioned are legal.
then you say `devageet is a crazy man.`
so why were you using a crazyman`s words as evidence?
who is crazy,then?

i tell you what,chris.
there is a guy in your bathroom,on the other side of the mirror.
ask him something for me...
why is he lying?

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An Osho Fan: Christopher Calder and his article.
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Aug 25, 2007, 18:01
God!

After reading the debate between tons of people on one side and CC(with his crackpot and one-pointed remarks ( "Osho was a cheat and is frauding you..")) and CS on the other I don't know where to start.

However, I'll try to go point by point about what I have to say.

1) Mr. Calder, I am a big fan of Osho. i.e. I admire greatly what he has to say on different issues and aspects of human life and society. I have been first introduced to Osho ( in this life..I have some post-this-life memories of Osho..which is besides our topic of discussion here) through a book called "new man for the new millenium" ( Penguin books) which I purchased from a book shop at Bangalore, India in 2003 and was greatly impressed by what it had to say because I agreed totally with what Osho has to say in that book about many things. Since then I have read ( here and there, mostly on the net) whatever I could lay my hands upon by Osho and eventually came to admire him a great deal..even to the point of saying I am his follower ( meaning I follow in the direction he points to).

But I have never communicated with a single Osho follower till date ( other than accidentally discovering that a nearby shopkeeper is another big fan of Osho) and have never visited the Poona Center ( neither do I intend to, because of the exorbitant rates that they charge which is not affordable by most middle class Indians). So I would like to know if you ( Mr. Calder) thinks of me a being a part of the Osho "cult" which he and many others like him says as something in existance.

In my understanding, for the existance of a "cult" there are lot of prerequisites, which Mr. Anthony Thompson has successfully pointed out and none of which in my knowledge exists vis-a-vis Osho.

So I hereby demand that either Mr. Calder responds to Mr. Thompson's points about "cult" or he IMMIDIATELY stops saying that the Osho followers/admirers belong to any "cult" or there is any such thing as a cult around Osho.

2. I fully agree with John in his conclusion that Mr. Calder is launching a well planned attack on Osho to make sure that the newcomers are, in a very neatly planned way, turned away from Osho and made to think he(Osho) was a liar of trememdous proportions who'se only aim was to increase his empire and the no's of RRs in his collection.

3. I second Mr. Thompson's claim of proof that Osho ever had sex with ANY of his sannyasins ( or anyone at all for that matter), because the moment I (or anybody for that matter) hear that someone who says his aim is "to take a man to a no-mind state WITHOUT using sexual means", regularly had sex in his own private life, it means to me that the man has not reached in himself what he is preaching and is a fraud, and therefore I loose all respect for him.

So, if Mr. Calder is saying something about Osho that can cause loss of repect for Osho in anyone's mind he must support it with valid proof or let it be established that he has written it only to satisfy his own personal vendatta against Osho and his personal aim of sladering Osho's character baselessly.

[Only good proof can serve as a valid base of what you have said in your article about Osho having sex with hundreds of young women, and without it ( good proof) you will be proven to be a lier of CRIMINAL proportions.]

[I notice that you have not responded to Mr. Thompson's section on this..but I am DOUBLY reminding you to remember this part when ( if at all) you respond to my post]

4. In your article you have claimed that Osho died of AIDS. Other than the fact that (in my knwoledge) Osho did not display any visible signs of being an AIDS patient in his last days, I heard that his body was burnt very soon after his death. So where did you get this information that it was indeed AIDS that has killed Osho, and if it is a mere guess or your personal suspicion then why did you not say so in your article instead of saying at point blank that he died of AIDS.

Without any proof of it, you would once again have done something CRIMINALLY wrong (and I would dearly wish, that any of Osho's foundations in existance today (or someone with enough money and will), sues you in a court of law for willful and mendacious slandering of Osho's character).

5. You keep claiming that Osho was frauding people by saying whatever he has and harming them in some way. If Osho has ever said anything and wanted people to follow it, it was to meditate. I don't know how, if someone is telling me to meditate, and asking nothing in return ( Osho.com publishes his meditations for free on the web), can cheat anything from me, or harm me in any way. [ if someone finds a perticular meditation suggested by Osho harmful to his/her mental/physical health, then he/she can simply stop doing it, isn't it so?].

So I demand you either explain how Osho was cheating people or IMMIDIATELY stop saying such things.

6. If someone is under the worst ( most effective) drug and still continuously says things that make sense and acts normally, it would mean to me, ( via my common sense) that the drug, in that case is acting as a positive factor to his/her health (by keeping the person's medical conditions stable due to whatever reasons) and not a negative factor.

So as long as what Osho says makes sense to me, it does not matter to me if he wrote it under the effect of LSD or potassium cyanide...leave allong NO2 and Valium.

7. I also notice that you have not responded to most of the points where Mr. Anthony Thompson has logically refuted you claims. You have instead held on to the slightest weakness that you found in his posts and called him things for them instead of responding to the point by point challenges posed to you by him.

Either you respond to those points ( if you want, I will at some other time, sit and create another post where I will cut and paste those from Mr. Thompson's post) or else it will be evident that there is no "truth" ( the very thing that you seem to be pursuing) behind what you say, and instead, ou are out on your personal aim of slandering Osho's character as a master(for whatever personal reasons that you have).

8. As a BTW, I notice you keep repeating the word "teaching" on several occasion w.r.t. Osho whereas Osho has repeatedly said that he does not teach anything. His saying things to us is a process of taking us to own inner silence, and that fact has been pointed out to you in many of the posts by various people. Inspite of it, you keep using the word Osho's "teachings".

It can only mean two things. you a) are absolutely inane, or b) are on a planned anti-Osho propaganda.

Another closing request. Please do point out what, amongst all that I have said, is "ridiculous, and does not make any sense to anyone not wearing a straight jacket". Because for all that matters, I consider myself to be one of the "Osho people".

Regards

Indrajit Paul

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An Osho Fan: RE: Christopher Calder and his article
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Aug 25, 2007, 18:36
I apologise sincerely to the readers of the above article for the innumerable typos, spelling, punctuation and grammatical mistakes in it and I partly owe it to the lack of a "preview" scheme in this site.

Regards
Indraji t

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    Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE: Christopher Calder and his article
    Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
    Date: Aug 26, 2007, 19:12
    Well, given the fact that i have not got any reply from mr calder, I invite those of you who might be interested to review the article I wrote around this discussion at:
    http://www.dynamicbr ain.net/christopher-calde r-krishna-christ-and-his- lying-or-misinformed-lost -truth
    any misspellings need to be forgiven... english is a second languege for me.
    Anthony

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sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Aug 28, 2007, 18:40
osho didn't fear which people might think about him:

http://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=otGQqO2TYMI &mode=related&sea rch=#

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sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Aug 28, 2007, 19:01
you can think-imagine which maybe comforts your fear, chris, but there will always be humans which hear this truth, which osho pointed through the use of words and pauses, this which is beyond the definitions humans use words for in an attempt to define this which cannot be defiined

you apparently weren't-aren't listening


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sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Aug 28, 2007, 19:22
chris, are you're using the attention you get from people which agree , and the attention and debating with people, which disagree, in a attempt to to avoid feeling as if alone?

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sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Aug 28, 2007, 19:23
oop

*and the attention and debating with people which disagree

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    Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
    Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
    Date: Sep 2, 2007, 4:01
    Dear Osho crazies,

    There are so many false statements and ridiculous assumptions in all of your posts that I do not know where to begin. At the ranch in Oregon (Rajneeshpuram), the then "Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh" bragged to the press, saying that "I have had sex with hundreds of women," and that only his poor health kept him from having even more sex. That was printed in newspapers all over the world, so it was hardly a secret. In Bombay, Rajneesh had sex with Ma Yoga Seema (Greek Mukta's 18 year old daughter), with Ma Yoga Prem (his first Western sannyasin who was in her 30s), with the young American girl who he got pregnant (I forget her name), and who complained to the US embassy after having an abortion. He had sex with a very old and wealthy Indian lady from Bombay, presumably just to try to get her to dominate money. That was just at the Woodlands building when he was just starting to get over his Indian hangups about sex. He asked Kabir (an Indian) and Mukta (Greek) to have sex right in front of him so that he could watch, and they both refused. He grabbed the breasts of two of my lady friends, Ma Krishna (teenage blond Brazilian-American girl), and Ma Satya Priya (brunette teenage California girl), and undressed and "felt the chakras" of a third young American lady friend of mine (I have forget her name). I know this directly from the people involved, not from Shivamurti or his book.

    At Poona and at the Oregon ranch, Rajneesh expanded his sexual activity, and I have received e-mail letters from dozens of women who he had sex with. It is ridiculous for me to waste my time debating known and proven facts, which he himself has admitted publicly and is now part of the historical record. The sex in itself is not wrong. What is wrong is all the spiritual BS he used to explain it. Hugh Hefner has had sex with hundreds of women as well, but Hefner never made any claim of being an incarnation of some great guru, or that he was doing it for any other reason than his own personal pleasure. It is also neither noble, wise, or good to have sex with your own students. That is an abuse of the student-teacher relationship. I like Hugh Hefner, and he is a far more honest and less egoistic man than Rajneesh was.

    The only "illegal" drug Rajneesh took was LSD, which he himself admitted to. He did experiments with marijuana laced drinks at Woodlands building before I arrived on the scene, according to Swami Yoga Chinmaya, who has no motive to lie, and who is a very reliable witness. Rajneesh gave marijuana laced drinks (bhang lathis) to a group of his students without their knowledge to see their reaction. I don't object to the experiment itself, I object to the fact that he did not tell those he experimented on before hand and ask their permission. Another guru I use to known, named Dr. Ramamurti Mishra, conducted a similar experiment at Amanda Ashram in Monroe, New York, during the 1970s. Dr. Mishra gave all of his students small doses of LSD mixed into orange juice before meditation, also without their knowledge and permission. I guess neither Rajneesh's or Mishra's experiments had positive results, as they both stopped the practice. Both men were quacks and fools when it came to the quality of their judgment as gurus, yet but both men had tremendous presence. Neither was honest. Dr. Mishra had his own hypocritical sexual escapades as well, as did all of the gurus I knew except for Swami Chidananda (as far as I know).

    Rajneesh told both me and Swami Yoga Chinmaya (Indian Chinmaya) directly that he had sex with his female disciples because it would ensure their enlightenment in a future lifetime. Ask Swami Yoga Chinmaya about this. He told Chinmaya first, then he told me in a face to face meeting when I asked him about it. Rajneesh was a mortal man made of DNA, just like you and me. He had delusions of grandeur, and delusions about past lives, but his stories of the occult never added up. He made fantastic claims about being a Dalai Lama in a previous life, and being able to see all of the past lives of his disciples. He claimed that he figured his last life was 700 years ago because most of his disciples have had 7 incarnations since his last death. He liked telling these fantastic stories about the occult, but the problem is, the occult does not exist. He was making it all up, and getting it from other people's books. He got allot of mileage out of a cheap paperback book I gave him entitled "Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain." It was all hogwash, but he took it as his own to formulate his teaching. He got his "occult" information about the secret life of Jesus from an Indian newspaper article written by a quack archeologist. Rajneesh was a salesman, not a truth teller. The occult sells and is money in the bank for phony gurus.

    Anthony has very poor reading comprehension skills, and he has great difficulty in separating facts from his own fantasies. I can see that from his writing. He keeps misinterpreting and misquoting my words. For example, I never said or implied in any of my writings that Rajneesh died from nitrous oxide and Valium use. I clearly wrote that the stated cause of death by the ashram was heart failure, but there was much speculation that he committed suicide. I do not which is the case. I also said that Rajneesh had custom installed nitrous oxide spigots by his bed at the ranch, I never said the spigots themselves were custom made. Former Oregon Congressman Jim Weaver saw these custom installed spigots first hand, as did the Oregon police and the FBI. Weavers article can be seen at: http://home.att.net/~medi tation/Weaver.html

    Ant hony dismisses anyone who criticizes Rajneesh, and acts as if their words and witness have no value. Anthony will only believe what he wants to believe, not matter what I or anyone else says, and no matter what level of proof supplied. Anthony cannot read, comprehend, or make logical conclusions about almost anything. There is no winning a debate with crazy people, because they can always pull another untrue, irrelevant, and/or ridiculous argument out of their hats.

    The big problem with the Osho cult today is that it is mainly only the crazy people who are left behind. The more normal and sane people got out of the cult when it engaged in germ warfare, illegal spying, drug use, financial fraud, etc. Rajneesh allowed Ma Anand Sheela to spy on his disciples. He gave her permission to do so because he wanted total control over his commune. He even demanded that his disciples ask his permission to leave (or escape) the ranch. Obviously, Rajneesh did not want Sheela to spy on himself, just on his disciples. Rajneesh's spying scheme backfired, like almost everything else he did. Lying, hypocritical, and corrupt behavior almost always backfires because eventually the lie and fraud are caught and exposed. Then your bad behavior makes you look like a fool and a crook, and people of sound mind will avoid you. Rajneesh was addicted to lying, and he loved lying. He was literally a pathological liar in the medical-psychiatric sense of that word. He had no respect for truth at all.

    Most of the people left behind in the Osho cult are the very people Rajneesh himself would have hated. The only person he really loved was himself. His disciple mistook his great, energetic presence for "love." His presence was a gift of birth, his brain, his DNA. It was a physical gift, not a spiritual gift earned by the practice of meditation over lifetimes of effort. He won the DNA consciousness lottery, that is all. He was born that way, and he only had to wait for his central nervous system to fully develop to become "enlightened." But consciousness is not intelligence, not wisdom, not truthfulness, not "love." That is why people have a hard time understanding Rajneesh's life and misbehavior. They incorrectly assume that he must know something because he had so much electricity in his presence. That was a mistake of logic that I myself made for years, and that others continue to make. The organic, DNA based theory of consciousness is correct. The spiritual, supernatural theory of consciousness is false.

    Rajneesh misunderstood himself and life. He thought the world was divided into two parts, the material and the spiritual. The "spiritual" only exists in the imagination of the human brain, which is material and organic. There is no spiritual world outside of our own imagination. That is the BIG POINT I am making about all these mystical gurus, not just Rajneesh/Osho. Rajneesh was like so many other hundreds of phony gurus selling myths and lies in order to clean the pockets of their disciples. Those who sell the "spiritual" are either intentionally lying, or self-deluded. That is just as true for Indian mystics as it is for Pat Robertson and other Christian and Moslem gurus as well. Religion is a fraud, and all the great religions of the world are full of misinformation. All contain fragments of truth, and many contain elements of common sense, such as "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," but their cosmology and assumptions of the supernatural are incorrect.

    Christopher Calder


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      Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
      Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
      Date: Sep 2, 2007, 7:24
      On Anthony's web page on Osho and me, Anthony dismisses my claim that I knew Osho was on drugs just by looking at him at the ranch. I state now that I was perhaps 20 feet away from Rajneesh at the ranch, and I could tell he was on drugs. Anthony states "But, again, perhaps I (Anthony) am just not so perceptive." Exactly Anthony! That is about the only honest and reasonable thing you have said on this issue. I knew Rajneesh was on drugs even before then. I went to a party in Woodstock, New York, at the time Rajneesh was in the process of moving from Poona to New Jersey, USA. At the party a tape was played of one of the last, or perhaps even THE last discourse Rajneesh gave before going into semi-silence. Rajneesh never stopped talking completely; he only stopped giving public discourses for a time. The tape was a nightmare! Rajneesh was rambling and disorganized, and his speaking and thinking abilities were clearly impaired. I told my two friends at that party, Moonie and Svargo, that "It sounds like he is on Valium." He was not making any sense at all. Seeing him red faced, and "drunk as a skunk" and "shit-faced" (on drugs, not booze) at the Poona ranch just made Rajneesh's drug use even more clear. He was not just temporarily impaired for one or two lectures, as I had hoped. Rajneesh was a full fledged addict. I have seen videos of him broadcast on television in Seattle where he was slurring his speech, barely able to talk, and wearing sunglasses, and again, not making any sense. His disciples were crazy to broadcast such tapes of an obviously drugged man. As I have said before, Osho people are judgment impaired and lack clear reasoning abilities.

      An alert and awake person can see allot in people faces, and from their voice, and detect a great deal from their vibrations. When I saw Alan Watts give a lecture in San Francisco in 1973, I was sitting several hundred feet away from him, but I could tell from his vibrations alone that he was very ill and without energy. I turned to my friend and said, "I am surprised he is even alive. He has no energy at all." About two month later Alan Watts was dead. Make of that what you will.

      On his web page, Anthony tries to discredit Swami Shivamurti (Hugh Milne) by saying that he was not Rajneesh's personal body guard. He states that "Milne was not Osho´s personal Bodyguard. He was Laxmi´s. (Osho´s secretary at the time). Osho´s bodyguard was Sw. Vimalkirti. Milne was just guarding the Darshan sessions when Osho spoke to his disciples." This is another instance of Anthony talking out of both sides of his mouth. Anthony keeps making childish and insane arguments that do not make a bit of sense. Being Rajneesh's guard at his most vulnerable time of day, during darshan when he met the public, makes Milne his personal guard. Shivamurti was responsible for all of the guards, and he devised the security plan that protected Rajneesh day and night. No one person could be on call to guard Rajneesh 24 hours a day. Milne was the head guard. Even I guarded Rajneesh's bungalow gate in Poona several nights, but that did not make me Rajneesh's top guard. Milne was that person and everyone knew it.

      Anthony cannot think clearly. He has the same foggy minded, dishonest, and devious mind-set that all Osho people have. You have to be dishonest to be a part of the Osho cult. If you were not honest and foggy headed, you would not want anything to do with the cult.

      Anthony and the others need to grow up. There is no such thing as "Tantra" in the sense that Rajneesh used the term. Rajneesh used the idea of Tantra to rationalize dishonest and selfish behavior. He left behind thousands of dazed and confused disciples who now cannot think themselves out of a paper bag. Rajneesh seemed to make reason, logic, honesty, and trustworthiness a villain. Those thing are good and useful and essential for civilized life. Reason is not the enemy of meditation. You can be both a reasonable and honest person and also know how to turn off the measuring and reasoning part of the brain TEMPORARILY at will in order to enjoy the silence of the Void in all its fullness. "Tantra", as Rajneesh used the term, is just a gimmick to make money and to rationalize criminal activity. Rajneesh was directly responsible for massive criminal financial fraud. Sheela was responsible for germ warfare, drugging, and much more. Both were responsible for illegal wiretapping. Rajneesh never apologized to his fraud victims, or to Sheela's germ warfare victims. For Rajneesh, "Tantra" and "love" meant never having to say you are sorry (as in "Love Story"- a joke).

      Christopher Calder


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        sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Date: Sep 2, 2007, 7:53
        """you can think-imagine which maybe comforts your fear, chris, but there will always be humans which hear this truth, which osho pointed through the use of words and pauses, this which is beyond the definitions humans use words for in an attempt to define this which cannot be defiined

        you apparently weren't-aren't listening""&quo t;



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        Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: answering Christopher calder
        Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
        Date: Sep 2, 2007, 16:49
        Dear Mr. Calder. Can I call you dear? By this time and energy we should be dear ones. Thank you for answering my points.
        So here we go again. Rajneesh was not celibate, he did not believe in celibacy, neither he preached it, nor he saw any value in what he called “ unnatural behaviour” ( Osho 1985, interviews with the press). In fact he was known by the yellow press as” the sex guru” precisely for not advocating the renunciation of sex and inviting his disciples to explore and play with it. So the fact that he had an active sex life is not a problem. He had sex with consenting adults self-responsible for their behaviour... so I do not see a problem in him having sex with the people around him. He was not sexually active at the ranch. Mainly because of diabetes. And he said so.

        Regarding the drug issue, As I am not an eyewittnes such accounts, I can not comment on them, but I can not veryfy them either.

        Regarding Sheelás crimes, here my friend I have first hand accounts that what you are saying is not true. Rajneesh had no idea of sheela´s schemes. He definately did not want her to spy on his disciples. This was sheela´s attemt to have total control. You can ask english savita about it and chilean Aseema, Sheela´s maid in jesus grove. The purpose was to see who was not trusting her and speaking negatively about her behind her back. And specially who might go to osho with the stories of what she was doing. Like expelling “ little siddhartha” from the ranch. Something Osho never knew about and in fact sent him a letter to come back when he found out about it. Osho had nothing to do with this.So this is just a big misinformation or plain lying on your part.

        Whatever you say regarding Osho´s DNA, is just imagination on your part... or did you turn into a genetist, all of a sudden, and also with exclusive access to osho´s DNA!!
        Besides that is not my point of discussion.

        Sir, Tantra is not a myth. It was a sub-school of buddism that florished around 1000 A. C. It dwels out of the advaita and non dualistic buddhist tradition. Its early´s writings inclide Tilopa, Saraha, abhinava and his Tantra-aloka, and the Tantra-sara, and Para-Trimshika-Vivarana etc. In this non dualistic tradition, as opposed to yoga´s ascetism, the body pleasures can be considered as doors to the divine, or higher consciousness if you wish. Rajneesh Brought this approach back to life in his vision and work.

        Finally, one of osho´s main ideas was that there was no division between spirit and matter, between sacred and profane. His non dualistic view, quite tantric indeed, of a human being was Zorba the buddha. To point out that he believed in the division of spirit and matter is so stupid as to say that he believed in discipline and self- sacrifice.

        Now the piece on me. What ever you argue related to Rajneesh “looking like drugged” is your supposition, not a fact, your idea, your imagination. I have seen and heard the same discuorses you mention. “TheGoose is out” is the name of the first lectures you mention, and to me he sounds not only not drugged, but incredibly sharp, witty and profound. In fact they are among my favorits. I have the videos of his las words before going into public silence( he never said he was in complete silence, only public). And the only person who might have ben on drugs were the ones who were listening to the tape. What to say about “ Seeing him red faced, and "drunk as a skunk" and "shit-faced". Fropm where did you get this? Please watch the videos!!

        Regarding your sensitivity to see people... just your imagination mr. Calder, just that.
        In Poona II he used sunglasses, not because he was stoned. But becasue of his right eye being damaged by the “whatever” poinson was affecting his health since the deportation from US. I was there back in 88 when you said to have seen him last. And I do not remember the story of his being Angry at the sannyasisn for not demostrating in the streets in his favour and so retreating into silence. The guy was sick, as I remember, very sick. So much so that he could not come to talk for a while and when he resumed he came back with the sun glasses for the lights of the auditorioum. These are sheer lies you tell.
        Shivamurti (hugh Milne) was the boyfriend of Zulma velie (Divya) in the early days, and I am sorry, he was laxmi ´s Bodygard. In fact he came to be so after she was attacked by an Indian. He was the head of the Samurais, the ashram gards, only for two years, then Yoga Meeta was the head guard.

        One last point, please read what I say about your “cult” theory. And answer to me what the hell were you doing all that time hanging around Osho´s world? If he was such a infamous character.?
        Wainting for your reply.
        Best Regards
        Anthony Thompson PH. D.



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          Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:answering Christopher calder
          Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
          Date: Sep 2, 2007, 16:51

          Plese read full article answering Calder claims:
          http://www.dynam icbrain.net/christopher-c alder-krishna-christ-and- his-lying-or-misinformed- lost-truth

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            Eunice Wellington: RE:answering Christopher calder
            Date: Sep 2, 2007, 20:34
            This is very interesting.... to read all this. I knew Sw. Krishna Christ, now Chris Calder, in Bombay. My name then was Ma Dhyana Siddhi...and before that, Ma atmananda. I am sure Krishna Christ remembers me. I was also In Woodland Appartments and Also doing Dynamic at the beach in Bombay...forgot the name of the beach.
            The thing is, I never heard the stories that you are telling. I knew Chinmayaji, or Sw. Yoga Chinmaya, Mukta, her doughter..who then was 19, turning 20, not 18 years old. Why was I left out of all this? All these fantastic stories. Bhagwan never tryed to touch me or have sex with me. Why? I feel jealous now! I would have loved to sleep with such a being.
            I think the stories are Krishna Christ wet dreams. Or I was the only one back there who did not know anything.
            Love... and please Krishna Christ... let go!
            Eunice Wellington


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              Christopher Calder: RE:answering Christopher calder
              WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
              Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
              Date: Sep 2, 2007, 22:06
              Eunice,

              Ask Seema herself. She told me directly all about it during a bus ride to Mount Abu for a meditation camp. Rajneesh did not hit on all the women there. He never touched Mukta either. You must have heard about Prem, because Prem would tell anyone who would listen. Ask Chinmaya. Are you saying that you never met or heard about the young American girl he got pregnant? She was one of the first people I met at Woodlands, along with her boyfriend. You must have really been out of the loop to not know any of this. Can you imagine how hurt she was to have this guru get her pregnant and then deny he even touched her? It is easy to deny, but if you look into it you will find that it is all true. The point is not that he had sex. The point is that he said one thing and did just the opposite. At that time he claimed complete celibacy and that he only knew about sex from "past lives." Years later he admitted that there was no reincarnation at all.

              Rajneesh got away with all of his deceiving because of his great presence. People forgave and forgot allot from his behavior, but what about when you find out that almost everything he said was a lie. There are no past lives to remember. There are no future lives to look forward to. He was not "free" as he claimed, because free people do not need to take drugs to escape and to get high. When Rajneesh died, he died the same death that you and I will experience. The lights will go out and that is all there is to it. All his fairly tale stories about how he was fully conscious for 700 years in a bodiless state between his last death and his new birth were just fiction, designed to impress and to gain new disciples. Disciples are cash in the bank for gurus, because that is where the money and power comes from.

              I do not understand how Osho people can accept drug use, constant lying, illegal spying, germ warfare, hypocritical behavior, public rudeness and public stupidity, and say that it was all good. Rajneesh disgraced himself and he gave meditation a bad name. All of the bad things he did had nothing to do with meditation. They had to do with his own ego, his own desires, and his own loose screws. I am trying to draw a clear line between what was real, worthy, and productive, and what was destructive, dishonest, and just plain stupid. His constant lying was stupid, because in the end the lies will become known. Those who are left behind in the Rajneesh cult have something missing in their brains. They have no conscience, no ethics, no sense of responsibility. I am trying to bring those important issue into focus, and I am saying that they do matter. World history proves that they do matter.

              Christopher Calder



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                Eunice Wellington: RE:answering Christopher calder
                Date: Sep 3, 2007, 1:02
                Chris. Man, we hang out together! How can you say I was out of the loop. Do you remember Ma Ananda Prema from New York and Ma Yoga Bhakti also from NY. We used to hang out together with Shivamurti, Mukti her daughter and later came Teertha, satya Bharti, back in ´72.
                Chris, honestly, Are you making these things up?
                I am not a Rajneeshee anymore. I have nothing to protect, but this is going too far. Please my friend...do not pretend not to know me.
                Love
                Eunice

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                  Christopher Calder: RE:answering Christopher calder
                  WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
                  Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
                  Date: Sep 3, 2007, 2:07
                  Eunice,

                  When did I say I did not remember you? Please reread my post. You knew Prem, then you must have known she told everyone who would listen that she had sexual intercourse with Rajneesh at Woodlands Building. They could not shut her up about it. Please be honest please! Can you admit that? Or, is it a memory problem for you? Rajneesh denied it, and I did not believe it myself until Seema told me about her sexual encounter with Rajneesh on the bus to Mount Abu.

                  You were older, I estimate about 50 years old at the time. Is that correct? You had a son who bought a house in Hawaii, correct? That must make you about 86 years old now. Is that about right? You taught hatha yoga in New York City? Is that correct?

                  Ma Satya Priya (pretty gril from California) and Brazilian Ma Krishna did not associate with you, and you would not be a person they would talk to about such events. You must have heard about the girl Rajneesh got pregnant, however. I believe her boyfriend's name was "Mulla," or something close to that. If you were out of the loop and did not hear about these escapades, then that must be because you were of an older generation and you were not talking to the people involved as I did. Both Kabir and Mukta told me separately about Rajneesh asking them to have sex in front of him. If you can find Kabir, he will tell you that and much more. Mukta is not exactly honest about such things in public, and I doubt she would want to comment on it. She wants to cling to the old myths. She still thinks, I am fairly sure, that Rajneesh had sex with all those women for their own good. I can tell you this much. No man has ever gotten an erection with compassion alone!

                  Again, I am not complaining about the sex itself. As I said, I like Hugh Hefner and the Playboy Mansion crowd is OK by me. I am complaining about the lying. Rajneesh lied every day of his life to gain power. Lying is wrong when Hillary Clinton and George Bush do it, and it is even more wrong when your guru does it. Gurus are supposed to lead people to the truth, no matter how hard and cold that truth may be. If your guru lies to gain power over you, and to get you to contribute money to his cult, then you need a new guru. If Rajneesh had simply told the truth from the beginning, then he would probably have had 10% of the number of disciples he ended up with, and have far less money and less power, but he would not have ended his life in disgrace. The majority of the world thinks Osho was an insane con man, and he was in a sense. He will never be accepted by the masses as anything more than another phony guru, because as far as his verbal teaching and behavior goes, he WAS just another phony guru. Those who knew him know he had tremendous power of presence, but that power does not and did not mean what we all initially thought it meant. The past life explanations of enlightenment are wrong and false.

                  see: http://home.att.net/~medi tation/soul.html

                  We were all conned. I did not lose allot of money in the con, because I was too young to have any money to lose. I do feel sorry and ashamed for all those victims of his con that lost their homes and life savings giving money to a cult that was based on lies from the very beginning. Rajneesh's vibrations were wonderful, but his conduct and his teachings were terrible and destructive. That is my point, but Osho people keep missing it. They value the vibes, but they do not seem to value the truth at all.

                  Christopher Calder


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                    : RE:answering Christopher calder
                    Date: Sep 3, 2007, 2:21
                    > Osho was an insane con man, and he was in a sense. He will never be accepted by the masses as anything more than another phony guru, because as far as his verbal teaching and behavior goes, he WAS just another phony guru. <

                    you WANTING TO BELIEVE that doesn't mean you're right, chris

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                      Christopher Calder: RE:answering Christopher calder
                      WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
                      Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
                      Date: Sep 3, 2007, 3:29
                      "you WANTING TO BELIEVE that doesn't mean you're right, chris"
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                      Boy, are you ever wrong! If it were up to me, all of this would never have happened! Rajneesh would still be alive and have a small following of people who valued the truth. If it were up to me, Rajneesh would have told the truth from day one. He would still have had disciples because of his powerful electric presence. A smaller, honest group would have been far better.

                      It took me years to figure things out and surrender to the facts. I never wanted to believe any of this. The truth was forced on be by undeniable fact. I also never wanted to stop believing in souls and reincarnation, but again the facts overwhelmed me. I tell people my belief in souls and Eastern mysticism crashed just like a poorly constructed auditorium might crash when covered with too much snow. It just happened suddenly, but everything made sense after the crash. I no longer have to scratch my head and wonder why things happened like they did. With the organic explanation of consciousness, it all makes perfect sense.

                      I cannot tolerate dishonesty in myself or in others. That is why I have never been part of the "meditation business." That is also why I have such disdain for those Osho disciples who have contempt for truth. When people say that Osho only used nitrous oxide for dental reasons, but admit he called in his dentist in the middle of the night for nitrous oxide "treatments," that kind of two faced schizophrenic dishonesty just creeps me out. I went to India to improve my meditation practice and find the truth, not to join a sleazy cult of bad liars. You cannot build a decent house on a bad foundation, and if the foundation of your house is dishonest and rotten, the house will crash and burn. That is what happened to Osho/Rajneesh. He had lied so much his entire life, it all finally caught up to him, and he ended up in jail, looking like a fool, and being disrespected by anyone in the world with a brain. He was an embarrassment, and his current disciples continue to be an embarrassment.

                      Most of the old Rajneesh disciples who write to me agree with my web page on him, and now accept the basic fact of his con. It is mainly the new people who have never met him, or just the extreme insane disciples who disagree. When the people who agree with you write like sensible adults, and the people who disagree with you write like 10 year old idiots, then you know you must be doing something a little bit right. That is the reality of the situation, and the hundreds of crazy letters I have gotten from the insane Osho crowd is frightened, from death threats to suggestions that we all practice "spiritual terrorism," and rob banks to finance a new Osho cult.

                      There is no defending Osho's actions and words with logic and reason, and what he did was not "Zen" or "Tantra", it was just dishonesty.

                      Christophe r Calder


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                        sahyo: RE:answering Christopher calder
                        Date: Sep 3, 2007, 6:59
                        > When the people who agree with you write like sensible adults, and the people who disagree with you write like 10 year old idiots, <

                        look (watch) thinking (imagining) which labels, as if is proof, which are wanting to believe





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                          Eunice Wellington: RE:answering Christopher calder
                          Date: Sep 3, 2007, 16:50
                          I am sorry but your stories Chris simply amout that... stories. Yes I am an old woman now and I was a Yoga teacher in the Shivananda Ashram in New York. What Rajneesh had was something I never saw in another human being.And boy I was around!
                          I am not worried about his having sex. He taught that. Do you remeber " From sex to superconsciousness" in Cross Maiden, bombay?
                          What I worry is that someone like you who was there can not recognize what he was.
                          I am not talking about beliefs. Actually he demolished those. Remember? He told us that it did not matter what he said, but that we moved to meditation, beyond the mind and its belifs. HE was saying not to pay attention to his words. HE was speaking against "the occult", against " phony gurus". Remember?
                          All he wanted was to take us on a journey of self-discovery through opening our hearts to "that which is". So, now you saying that he wanted money, power and inforce a belief system on us... come on! You know he never owned anything. All was givgen to him. Even his ashram was Mukta´s... you know all this.
                          He was the one who laughed at our "spiritual questions". he was the one who destroyed our beliefs in esoteric ideas. HE WAS THE ONE!
                          Chris... why are you so angry? Did you pick up some of what he said as philosophy and then felt cheated? Please Chris... you now better than that. He was an excuse for our growth...The gate, remember? And that is what he was for me and many others. And it worked... not because I am a gulllible old woman with a childish idea of the world, but because I took to be a disciple as what he suggested... a game to wake up.Where I am fully responsible for all my actions. I am inmensely greatful to him for me... yea for finding myself... this peace that comes with meditation, this bliss, this centerdness... all this was awaken by him. Those who clinged to his words would inevitably loose the way. They were not reliable... meditation was his message and life.
                          I do not want to challenge you and what you say. I just want a testimony of somone who was there with you and have a different greatful taste in the back of the mouth.
                          Love to you and hope you are doing well
                          Eunice

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                            Christopher Calder: RE:answering Christopher calder
                            WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
                            Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
                            Date: Sep 3, 2007, 18:12
                            Eunice,

                            Some of the things you say are true, some are partially true, and some are completely false. Rajneesh promoted belief in the "occult" like crazy. The occult was his favorite topic, and it brought in big bucks and made him a famous and financially successful guru. Mafia leaders often put all of their assets in their wife's name, or in the name of a phony corporation in order to hide those assets from the police and the IRS. Rajneesh stored his wealth in his car collection, which was in the name of a phony corporation, and it was his way of storing up nuts for the winter. Rajneesh was far more money oriented than you can admit today, and he inherited many business skills from his father, who was a successful and shrewd businessman.

                            You seem to concede the fact that you were not close to the women Rajneesh had sex with in Bombay, except for Prem, and you remain silent on the issue of Perm's loud and relatively public statements that Rajneesh had sex with her. As I have stated, I do not oppose sex at all. I am not a Catholic. I oppose the cover-up and the hypocrisy. Rajneesh admitted to having sex with his own female disciples to me in a face to face meeting, where he repeated his claim previously given to Swami Yoga Chinmaya that he had sex with his female disciples in order to insure their enlightenment in a future lifetime. Again I say, go ask Swami Yoga Chinmaya, and say hello for me while your at it.

                            Rajneesh raked in over a hundred million dollars from his disciples, selling false beliefs in souls and reincarnation. Then, after taking LSD, Rajneesh briefly changed his tune and stated that there was no reincarnation at all. That declaration of truth came only AFTER obtaining huge amounts of money from people under false pretenses. It is like selling someone a house and then later, after the sale is complete, telling the person that the house is defective and will fall down at any minute. Even after the scandals at the Oregon commune, Rajneesh still was so attached to his Rolls Royce automobiles that he wanted to send a few of them back to Poona with him. He wanted to save at least some of his bank account, and he did so in the form of expensive jewel encrusted ladies' watches.

                            Rajneesh's teaching was awful, wrong, and destructive on so many levels, but it was his BEHAVIOR that was truly unforgivable. Rajneesh once said that the worst thing society has produced are tranquilizers that make the human mind dull. So what did he do? He became addicted to high doses of Valium, a powerful tranquilizer that makes any human being act like an idiot in high doses. Rajneesh's "Tantra" was not a "method", it was the product of his own loose screws and hypocrisy. Tantra was used as a device to rationalize selfish, arrogant, and destructive behavior. When Rajneesh was lounging in his heated indoor pool in Oregon, and enjoying the effects of various kinds of drugs, many of his own disciples were freezing in the cold outside doing hard labor for 12 hours a day. What kind of cosmic love and compassion did that represent?

                            Eunice, you were duped, as was I and so many others. Rajneesh developed the perfect egocentric guru philosophy. Isn't it convenient that the best thing anyone could do for their spiritual growth was to give him all your money, follow his orders without question, and let him sleep with your wife and/or daughter. That is very convenient for him, and he did it all the while claiming to be egoless. Rajneesh had a bigger ego than any of his own followers, yet he sold the false concept of egolessness as part of his business Everyone has an ego, and you would die if you did not have an ego. Telling people that ego is the only barrier to enlightenment is false, and it gives the guru the perfect tools to keep disciples in line and subservient to the great "egoless" master. It was all a con!

                            The proof of Rajneesh's "intelligence" is in the pudding. If half of what he said were true, then things would not have gone so horribly wrong. Anyone who saw his ridiculous performance on the ABC news show, NIGHTLINE, could see a phony guru who could not answer a single question honestly. I am not angry at anything Rajneesh did to me, I am angry at all of the things he did to himself. He lied to himself and turned false rationalizations into an art form. He flushed truth down the toilet, and used the myth of Tantra to rationalize a crime syndicate. He extorted millions form his disciples under false pretenses. Yes, he had great presence of being, but the mistake you make is in thinking that changes anything. COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS CHANGES NOTHING! Those who posses it must behave honestly, just like anyone else, or they are criminals. Superconsciousness must never be used as an excuse for crime, and it does not absolve anyone from the deleterious effects of drug addiction and self-deception.

                            Rajnee sh went back to his old false teaching of souls and reincarnation, after a brief admission of the truth, because the occult sells and gave him power over his disciples. He reverted to his old lies during the last years of his life, and that is unforgivable. He knew the truth, but spoke lies instead for purely selfish reasons. If you love someone, you want to tell them the truth. All adult human beings deserve the truth, and truth is needed to make rational decisions about how to conduct your own life. Rajneesh made himself the enemy of truth, not the great Tantric teacher you claim. He used his disciples for purely selfish reasons, and he did it all while cosmically conscious. As I said, cosmic consciousness changes nothing, because it not related to intelligence, wisdom, or honesty at all. You are confused because you have all those human attributes mixed up as one phenomena, which they are not. I made the same mistake in my own thinking for many years, but I was wrong, just like you are this morning.

                            Christopher Calder




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                          Christopher Calder: RE:answering Christopher calder
                          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
                          Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
                          Date: Sep 3, 2007, 17:07
                          "look (watch) thinking (imagining) which labels, as if is proof, which are wanting to believe"
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                          If you really knew something, and had something important to say, you would do more than just post hit and run cryptic comments, and you would sign your name to your posts.

                          My experience with Osho people is that they cannot think, write, or debate, and have no interest in finding the truth, only in covering it up.

                          Example: I posted an article written by former Oregon Congressman, Jim Weaver, where the Congressman states that he toured Rajneesh's Oregon commune and found nitrous oxide spigots custom installed by Rajneesh's bed. Anthony cannot refute this story in any reasonable way, so he just asks, "How did he know they were nitrous oxide spigots." That is not a intelligent debating question, and is like asking how did he know that a TV was a TV, a radio was a radio, or a door was a door. Nitrous oxide equipment does not look like anything else, and Rajneesh was known to be a recreational nitrous oxide user. Rajneesh was not blowing up helium balloons by his bed, or doing ark welding in bed, and the equipment for those gasses is different from nitrous oxide equipment. But Rajneesh people cannot think, are dishonest, and can only throw out irrational, cryptic, or irrelevant comments to obfuscate the obvious. They do not want people to know what really happened.
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                          "I went through the abandoned city of Rajneeshpuram and saw things that were almost unbelievable. Ma Anand Sheela's headquarters, a group of mobile homes pieced together, was a hive of secret doors and hidden tunnels, her private room a command post with electronic listening gear tapped into every room in the development. The Bhagwan's parquet-paneled quarters had nitrogen oxide spigots by his bedside, and was surrounded by huge bathrooms with multiple showers." - Jim Weaver, former Oregon Congressman
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                          If people really wanted to find the truth, they would not follow anyone. Rajneesh reminds me of Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez. I agree with many of the things Chavez says, and he has done some very good deeds as well, but he basically went power mad, and is now trying to turn himself into a dictator for life, just like Fidel Castro did. I appreciate Chavez's opposition to George W. Bush and American wars and imperialism, but I do not like Chavez's self-indulgent and dishonest elevation of himself to the role of God in human form. Dictatorships do not work, be they formed in Cuba, Russia, or in a desert commune in Oregon.

                          As an example, you can probably play golf. Tiger Woods can also play golf. The difference between your golf game and Tiger Wood's golf game is about like the difference between your meditation potential and Rajneesh's meditation potential. There is no comparison. But that does not mean that your views on politics, economics, or life in general are any less valid than Rajneeh's views. The raw consciousness of meditation/enlightenment is NOT intelligence. Intelligence and consciousness are two very different things. Both J. Krishnamurti and Rajneesh were "enlightened" in the Eastern esoteric sense of the word, and they both had great amounts of raw consciousness, which was a genetically derived gift, but their teachings were radically different. If there was one true "enlightened" teaching, then all of the so-called enlightened teachers of the world would tell the same story and use the same methods. That is not the case, because there is no authority, and no "enlightenment" in the sense that Rajneesh falsely claimed to possess. Cosmic consciousness is not wisdom, it is only an energy phenomena in the brain that does not arise from the thinking and reasoning parts of the brain. In fact, those thinking and reasoning areas of the brain are usually subdued and turned off by the experience of great cosmic consciousness.

                          The brain tends to specialize in certain areas of merit and use, because the human brain only weighs about 3 pounds. That is why a person may be a great painter, or a great mathematician, but usually not both, and certainly not a great musician as well. Leonardo da Vinci was a very rare human who could do many things, but he was not good at everything. There is only so much brain mass to go around to cover all the needed functions to perform all tasks. No one person is good at everything, because none of us have the brain power and brain size needed to be good at everything.

                          If you look at the history of the "enlightened", and read their words carefully, you will find they mainly specialized in consciousness, and none were very much good at anything else. None have been good at science, economics, politics, or much of anything except spontaneous meditation. They were mainly below normal in other areas of life, not above normal in their capacities. Their enlightenment came with a reduction, not an expansion, of their abilities in other areas of accomplishment.

                          Rajnee sh could not do math, was horrible at understanding even basic scientific principles, and could not sing well, play an instrument, or design a house. He became fooled by his own energy of consciousness and equated that energy with intelligence, which it is not. Rajneesh once said that "History is irrelevant." That was probably the most stupid and dangerous thing he ever said. If you cannot learn from history, then you will go on repeating the same mistakes, over and over. History tells us that dictatorships and cult followings of "infallible" leaders do not work. None of us are God, because their is no God, and none of us are infallible, because DNA has not evolved to that high state of perfection. The mathematical odds say that human perfection cannot happen.

                          see: http://home.att.net/~medi tation/math.html

                          Chris topher Calder


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sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Sep 2, 2007, 7:56
minus "&quo t"

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    p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
    Date: Sep 3, 2007, 16:30

    . pfuetze .. an amoral 'student' of 'meditations' .......

    . slavishly submitted to a sexual proclivity in 'India' .......

    . that later coagulated into a 'calderous' .......

    . 'private physical' obsession .......

    . with 'mystics' and their 'bodies' .......

    . a 'master' debatory mixture .......

    . that continues to frenetically feed .......

    . his 'guru' lust and envy .......


    . his 'guru' lust and envy .......

    . the root cause of pfuetze 'becoming' calder .......

    . the root of all 'his' guttural gnarled 'guru' gnawings .......

    . calder's 'guru' lust and envy .......

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      Eunice Wellington: respondig to Chris calder
      Date: Sep 3, 2007, 19:10
      I am sorry Chris but you can not tell me what has been my experience with Rajeneesh. Neither can you tell me I have been coned. I am a well aware intelligent person who has a very different view of the same events. Your argument in relation to my experience is the same that you say other people are doing with you. I do not exect you to agree... but I was there... not in a cloud, not drugged, not asleep. I was there living with a remarcable human being who owned nothing... I am sorry but this is the truth. I do not like your "holier than thou" scientist attitude. Accept my view as "my view" and moreover as my own personal experience.
      I grew more as a human being, being his disciple than anything else I ever lived. Not because I believed in what he said, not because I was foolled by a con man. But because I learned the art of letting go into life and its woders... I learned this from HIM.
      I will be forever greatful.
      Take care...good luck in your Cruzade.
      Eunice

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        Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:respondig to Chris calder
        Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
        Date: Sep 3, 2007, 21:09
        Well, well, I think we are hitting the celing in this discussion. Evidently, Mr. Calder has his own belifs in genetics, DNA, biologial bases of conscousness...and that´s it. I am not saying his ideas are wrong. I just say I do not know about these things. I do not know if there is a soul, or reincarnation, or karma or enlightenment.
        I remember rajneesh saying " Only that which you live directly is yours. The rest is borrowed knowledge" (Golden Nuggets). So I humbly have to say i do not know. And it does not matter that i don´t. because I have never come accross anyone who does. Even osho himself said he did not know (Rajneesh, "Come and follow me", 1978).
        So, So far MR. Calde has not supplyed one reliable eye wittness to his whole " N02 affair". So that is all. Thank you for the time.
        And as far as your old frend Eunice, well, She should be "a schizophrenic, someone with bipolar depression, or other mental derangement, you keep repeating ridiculous thongs over and over again. Your brain is not functioning correctly" as you called me, for having a different experience or vision than yours. If there is anyone here that sounds like a fanatic cult follower is you Mr. calder who gets offensive and hiperventilated when your"ideas" are refuted. And you think that anyone who differs from you must be wrong, because your are right and sesitive and can "see" things and "tell" when people are drugged. and from far away. Someone who takes a few statements made by osho as an evangelical.
        Any way, I am tyred of being insulted by this Man. enough is enough.
        One last advise. If you really want to be taken seriously. Please put down some refernces in your articles. It takes away the feeling that you are "making all this up" and it adds some scholary fling to your post.
        Anthony Thompson Ph. D.
        read my full response in:
        http://www.dynamicbr ain.net/christopher-calde r-krishna-christ-and-his- lying-or-misinformed-lost -truth

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          Christopher Calder: RE:respondig to Chris calder
          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation/CommonLies.html
          Email: calkderhome@yahoo.com
          Date: Sep 3, 2007, 22:31
          Anthony,

          My criticisms of you are fair and well founded. You make Bill Clinton's claims that "I never had sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky" seem honest. Remember the Clinton quote, "That depends on what the definition of 'is' is? That is about your level of debating skills and honesty. It could have been worse, however. You could have threatened my life, or suggested that we rob banks to start a new Osho cult. Believe it or not, there are even worse Osho people than you.

          Christopher Calder


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        Christopher Calder: RE:respondig to Chris calder
        WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
        Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
        Date: Sep 3, 2007, 22:19
        Eunice,

        You are trying to look at only hand picked parts of the truth, pleasant fragments of the facts, and ignoring what you do not wish to see or remember. You had a wonderful experience at Woodlands Building, as did I. But what about the men, women, and children who were poisoned with salmonella bacteria by Ma Anand Sheela and her sannyasin agents? Sheela was hand picked and personally instructed by Rajneesh, but Rajneesh never apologized for the horrific germ warfare attack on innocent civilians conducted by his own devoted disciples. His motto seemed to be "The buck stops everywhere but with me!" Those Rajneesh disciples who did the germ warfare poisoning had absolute trust and blind faith in Rajneesh, and they never questioned his authority, as you feel I have wrongly done. Was the experience of the 751 people poisoned by the Rajneesh cult as pleasant as your experience at Woodlands Building? Rajneesh did not order or conduct the poisoning himself, but he created the totalitarian, spiritual-fascist atmosphere that allowed such crimes to occur. J. Krishnamurti called Rajneesh a "criminal" and branded Rajneesh's Oregon commune "a concentration camp under the dictatorship of enlightenment." Rajneesh should have known better, but he was too drunk on drugs to act responsibly. I believe you met and respected J. Krishnamurti. Does J. Krishnamurti have a right to criticize Osho's faults and crimes, but I do not? What about the people who lost their homes, jobs, spouses and children to the Osho cult? Was their experience as good as yours? Rajneesh didn't get better with age, he got worse, more corrupt, and more foolish.

        In my essay, "Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and the Lost Truth," I try to tell the whole Rajneesh-Osho story, both the good and the bad. see:

        http://home.att.net/~ meditation/Osho.html

        I n the end, Rajneesh became so crazy that Vivek killed herself. Things went bad, ...very bad. You remember the best of times at Woodlands Building, as do I. Others were with him longer and saw the darker side, the drug induced insanity side, and things were not so good for them.

        I do not believe in the spirit world. It is therefore unfair to say that I claim it be "holier than thou." A critical point in all my essays is that I do not believe in the "holy," the "spiritual," and the "divine." I try to explain what happened in a rational and honest way, so that others will not make the same mistakes in the future. I am trying to correct some of the damage done to the world, and to the meditation community specifically, that Rajneesh himself inflicted out of his own stupidity and arrogance. You do not wish to remember the bad things, so my words made you angry. There is no way I can tell the whole truth about Rajneesh and not make many current and former Rajneesh followers very mad. That is why so many good people who know the truth choose to remain silent on all of these important issues. Understandably, few people want anger, cheap shots, and death threats directed at them.

        Christopher Calder

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          Eunice Wellington: RE:respondig to Chris calder
          Date: Sep 3, 2007, 23:38
          Chris, dear. I am not a blind old woman. But I am not going to "throw the baby with the bath water". J. Krishnamurti was also betrayed by his personal assistant and this assistant also did things in the name of Krishnamurti that to this day, some of the older friends still think it was him who was behind.
          I am well aware of the whole story. As I think was Rajneesh himself. I still remeber when he said back in 1985 that he was not resposable for the crimes, but he was willing to take responsability for not being more concerned about what Sheela was doing. But even that is not the issue. Everyone is ultimately responsible for him/herself. You, me, Rajneesh, the sannyasins.
          The issue here is that this man touched millions of people toward their own awakening, in a way that noone, even Krishnamurti did. Krishnamurti surrounded himself with intelectuals who belived what he said about no need of a master. See where is krishnamurti´s work today...at the back of a library of the very same intelectuals. See where is Rajneesh´s work today... still liberating and touching thousands of people all over the world. His meditations still help people to be free from repressed emotions. To become quieter and silent. And his understanding of the workings of human beings regarding love, intimacy, creativity, sharing and living my own truth, going in, etc are still golden nuggests. Read any book and you will see.
          The fleet of cars, the preety girls... all that is irrelevant. Whoever felt hurt by being associated with him should take responsability for him/herself and the choices they made... Do you remember what it felt like to be blissed out in silence in his presence. That awoke something in you, me and the hundred of thousands of people who sat at his feet. And that is something that can not be debated. He helped us all to find this space of meditation.
          Regarding your exchange with Mr. Thompson, I think he makes a point. There is no need to be violent Chris. He did not threatened you. He just disagreed and presented what I think are valid arguments. Even I am thinking of one myself: Why did bhagwan called for dental sessions if he had the Nitrous Oxide by the side of his bed? he could not turn the faucet on?
          Chris, I have dear memories of our time together... lighten up boy, life is much more rich than just being stuck in resentement... that after all, the only person hurt by it...is you.
          The way out of emotional tension is through greatfulness. And hear this advice of an old lady. Only greatfulness liberates. Your cruzade is a step egainst your own peace of mind. Let them take responsabilities for them selves. Everyone needs to come to his own terms with life.
          You are fifty something now, I presume. Not much time left... just say thank you to the old man and let the others to come to find their own truth.
          Love
          Eunice

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sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Sep 3, 2007, 20:57
was responding p.r.

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HK: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: helen97531@yahoo.com
Date: Sep 3, 2007, 23:11
No one will ever find out who is Osho, because he is a Mystic......His books shows & helps me to taste the mystery of life..And I am very grateful that he existed....

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    phil: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email:
    Date: Sep 4, 2007, 0:52
    come on chris,
    listen to the old bird!
    eunice is right.
    lighten up.
    wasting your life being angry and bitter-for what?
    `i`m not angry at what rajneesh did to me but what he did to himself`
    er.right.
    come on mate,that sounds very silly indeed.

    why do you have to try to show you are right about everything?
    can`t you let others and yourself just be occasionally?
    i don`t know what the chemical formula is for compassion.maybe you could look it up in one of your neurology books?

    no doubt you wish that the rajneesh movement could have remained small,so you could have been a major player.
    krishna christ almighty!
    it has a certain ring to it...
    you could have been a contender!




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An Osho Fan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Sep 5, 2007, 19:06
However much Chris Calder is blind in his anger against Osho and in his belief that this life is all there is to any living creature, but nevertheless he is trying to make a somewhat rational argument against things Osho would have said during his lifetimes (which he thinks are intentional lies), his character as an individual (reference to his sexual activities) and the actions of Ma Ananda Sheela (which he believes is a direct consequence of her being a Osho follower).

I said he is "trying" to make and argument and in now way mean that he has succeded in displaying much reason in what he is saying.

All the same, is he thinks thousands ( probably millions) of people are has been and being duped till today by a certain individual, I think he has every right to publish matter trying to expose facts which might stop people from being duped by a con man.

But in this respect, I dearly wish people who believe he is lying or giving misinformation be a bit more objective whatever they say and not try to simply dissuade Chris by saying "give up your anger", "it will hurt only you", "live in love" and such..

Calder is making arguments to establish certain things as facts. If you belive they are not, please do make your own arguments ( just like many that had been made above) from your own knowledge and understanding, nstead of spreading love. Because, I don't think love or hatred is not the point in this long debate that has ensued on this page, but if there is any truth to Calders article on Rajneesh and if yes, how much of it, and if it really means what Calder says it means.

Being a Osho supporter, I simply wish the other supporters were a bit more objective in their remarks.

That's all.

Indrajit

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    Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: athomson@gmail.com
    Date: Sep 5, 2007, 19:18
    The facts I have discussed at length. In fact I have discussed each and single point where I think Calder is wrong or lying
    see
    http://www.dy namicbrain.net/christophe r-calder-krishna-christ-a nd-his-lying-or-misinform ed-lost-truth
    But I do not think that is an unimportant matter the fact that calder refutes his opponnebts with insults and agression.
    I have benn willing to openly discuss, suply proofs... no newpaper clips, but eye witnesses account, but i got so much shit that i got tyred.
    good luck all
    Anthony

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      Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
      Date: Sep 6, 2007, 6:03
      Indrajit. I will give you a coule of links that might be interesting as well:
      http://www2.db.dk/ pe/twotales.htm
      www.ashe-prem.org/two/d avisson.shtml
      It might give you some ideas of the trip of osho in USA

      anthony


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Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
Date: Sep 7, 2007, 0:45
For clarification, yet again, my assertion is that nitrous oxide and Valium use, combined with Rajneesh basic disease, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (known as ME in Europe), caused Rajneesh's dementia, not his actual death. I have never stated or implied that nitrous oxide killed him. If he died of heart disease as stated by the ashram, it was probably mainly due to his type 2 diabetes and his age, with a much lesser negative effect coming from the drugs and CFS. Everything we do has an effect on us, for good and for bad, and excessive drug use and CFS do effect the heart, but the main cause of his heart failure, if that was the real cause, was probably diabetes, age, and lack of exercise. If he did commit suicide, he obviously did not shoot himself, and his doctors would have had to give him morphine or some kind of barbiturates/sedatives, the only two easily lethal class of drugs available in India for them to use. His death was mysterious, and seemed planned by observers. I do not know what is the truth of it, and I would place my bet 50-50, suicide or heart failure, as an even bet.

The drugs and the CFS certainly did deteriorate his mental condition. His brain became so negatively effected that he was having hallucinations and became paranoid, thinking that a group of German disciples had cast an evil spell on him. He saw green flashes of light in his mind, a common symptom of nitrous oxide use. It is also common for people addicted to benzodiazepine drugs (of which Valium is the most famous) to become paranoid and think the CIA or some other evil force is out to get them, or even poison them. Rajneesh must have read about "synthetic heroin" somewhere, which I assume refers to a drug called fentanyl, and its many related chemical compounds, some of which are up to 4,000 times more potent than morphine. Rajneesh then wildly speculated that "synthetic heroin" may have been used to poison him. Fentanyl is not toxic except as a opiate, and therefore as an inhibitor of respiration. The effect of most fentanyl compounds last only a few hours (1 to 8 hours depending on which compound), and if they do not kill you quickly, they will not kill you or harm you at all. Perhaps you might go into a coma that lasts a day, but you will die relatively quickly. After years of prolonged daily use, any opiate can lead to deafness, but that is irrelevant to Rajneesh's wild speculation and claims on the subject. The idea that Rajneesh could be poisoned by giving him fentynil is absurd, and there are no reports of Rajneesh going to sleep and not being able to wake up. In jail he would have been monitored, so we know that he never went into a coma.

There is no evidence that Rajneesh was poisoned by either radiation or thallium. The evidence of his death rules out those two possibilities quite clearly. There is no evidence at all that Rajneesh was poisoned by anything at all other than his own voluntary drug use, nitrous oxide and Valium. Nitrous oxide is psychologically addictive, while Valium is also physically addictive. Valium use leads to slurred speech in high doses, and Rajneesh showed all the symptoms of high dose Valium use in taped lectures that were broadcast on various television stations around the country. As stated, I saw them on cable TV in Seattle. He had no disease that can explain those symptoms, and even his CFS cannot explain that level of grogginess and slurred speech. Only an easily identifiable severe neurological ailment like Myasthenia Gravis could explain Rajneesh's appearance and speech on those tapes. The only logical explanation was his drug use, which has been widely confirmed by many sources. Ma Anand Sheela, Shivanmurti, the FBI, the Oregon police, and his own personal dentist, Devageet, have stated Rajneesh used both Valium and nitrous oxide. Anthony absurdly dismiss anything that Sheela, Shivamurti, and Satya Bharti say, simply because he does not want eyewitness accounts that go against his false utopian vision of Rajneesh. Anthony only values sources that confirm his ideas that this is all a conspiracy against Rajneesh by people with some mysterious ax to grind against him. Anthony has tunnel vision, and he can only see a tiny square inch section of bark, but never the forest.

I was there in Bombay when Rajneesh gave talks about how Hitler was connected to an occult Buddhist group which Rajneesh himself was psychically connected to. Many of Rajneesh's pro-Hitler comments were reported in newspapers around the world, and if Anthony really wants to do research, he can find them. First he can get the back issue of the German Magazine "Stern" and read Rajneesh's very pro-Hitler interview with that magazine. Anthony does not seem to be aware that Rajneesh's books have been highly edited, and much of his insane ranting have been removed over the years. The Osho ashram in Poona is a business, and it is not in their interest to reveal all the dirty laundry about Rajneesh. Anthony relies for his beliefs on highly non-objective sources, people who have great motive to cover up and little motive to tell the truth. As soon as someone tells the truth, Anthony immediately brands them as a disgruntled former disciples and covers his ears and starts to hum. Anthony just does not want to know the truth, and if you do not want to know something, you can shut down your mind whenever an offending truth presents itself. That is exactly what Anthony and many Rajneesh disciples do. They shut down their minds, and that is why they often speak and write like zombies, spurting out cryptic and unintelligible spiritual gibberish, and that is why I have often stated that they say things "that only makes sense to someone wearing a straight jacket." Please do quote me on that line!

Anthony publicly declares that he is a "scholar," yet he writes like a gas station attendant. He has very poor reading comprehension skills, and constantly misquotes and misinterprets my words. I told Anthony that his reasoning abilities were impaired, much in the same way people with bipolar depression and schizophrenia have impaired reasoning abilities. I never gave him a direct diagnosis of either of those two mental illnesses. I am not sure what mental problem Anthony has, but he obviously has one. He cannot evaluate facts and information in a sane and reasonable way, as any normal adult can. I find this defect in most Osho people. It is like trying to talk to the living dead. This is not really surprising, as all of the reasonable people have left the cult years ago. What is left are people with poor mental skills and even worse judgment. They want to believe the old myths and programming that Rajneesh and other phony gurus drilled into their heads. I did say "When people say that Osho only used nitrous oxide for dental reasons, but admit he called in his dentist in the middle of the night for nitrous oxide "treatments," that kind of two faced schizophrenic dishonesty just creeps me out." Obviously, I am using the word "schizophrenic" in the common meaning of *splitting into two parts*, admitting the non-dental use of nitrous oxide in the middle of the night, while retaining the absurd insistence that even non-dental use in the middle of the night was somehow a justified medical procedure.

I am not sure if Anthony ever met Rajneesh personally. He calls himself an "expert" on Rajneesh, yet he discounts Shivamurti, Satya Bharti, myself, and the half dozen or so authors of books written about Rajneesh, exposing his lies and corruption. All of those people actually knew Rajneesh personally. Anthony wants to believe what he believes, and will continue to do so no matter what evidence is presented him.

For the record, and for your web page on me, I am only partially of British decent. My biological father was John Thomas Johansson, who was half Swedish and half English, and my biological mother was mainly French-English, with a hint of Jewish. If my father had not died several weeks before they were to be married, I would have been a Johansson, not adopted by Paul E. Pfuetze, a Vassar College professor.

Best Regards, Christopher Calder

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    Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: athomson@gmail.com
    Date: Sep 7, 2007, 16:20
    Mr. Calder.

    Your derogatory comment that I write like a “gas station attendant” is the result of english being my second language. My first language is spanish and I have no english spell-check in my computer.

    Regarding what you say about N02 and valium. I personally interviewd Devageet, Osho´s dentist and he said to me inprivate and in public that:
    “Osho never used nitrous oxide, I used it, as his dentist, during his dental treatment sessions. Osho, as other masters have demonstrated ( see Nikhilananda taking a massive dose of LSD on his first meeting with Guru Ram Dass, and showing no effects whatsoever), showed that the effects of Nitrous Oxide during his dental treatment had no effects of diminishing his clarity and awareness. He repeatedly showed that he could easily use the physiological effects of relaxation for a creative purpose, hence the three books dictated while in the dental chair: “Notes of a Madman”, “Books I have loved”, and “Glimpses of a Golden Childhood”.Having said that I can speak about aspects which do not betray that trust. Nitrous Oxide is a valid and valued analgesic and anaesthetic agent, as you know, and it still provides the basis of anaesthetic techniques because of its proven track record of safety and efficacy. It is a fact too that people have used it for leisure purposes. Osho was given nitrous oxide in a purely dental context."
    His equipment technician said:
    “during the Ranch and in Poona 2 I was the dental room technician, responsible for looking after the equipment. Unless Osho was having surreptitious sessions without my knowledge, he wasn't using gas on a daily, or even weekly basis. He did have an annoying tendency to want a session at strange times (6am in the morning) but that was Devageets problem”. This is to the claim that Mr. Calder made to me that Devageet had told that Osho used "N02 for months on end"

    Amrito, or Devaraj, Osho´s Doctor said to me that he gave valium a couple of times in poona one, the ranch and poona two. As he gave him medication for diabetes, common flue, muscle pain, aspirin, etc. As any doctor would give any medicine to a patient. He never gave him 60 Ml of valium a day. This idea came from Sheela, the liar. Who was enraged with Osho, after all it was his accusations that threw her into jail. And also it was a way to undermine Amrito´s work. We should not forget that she tryed to kill him at the ranch. And this has been documented.
    Now, a simple reflection would be to try to drive a car each day in the awful ranch roads with 60 miligrams of valium in the body and not to crash into the hunmdred of sannyasins standing by the side of the road. I do not recall any accident.

    Shivamurti was the only one to mention N02 when he attended a dental sesion. Neither Sheela or satya bharti mention anything about that.

    All you say regarding N02, valium, dementia, suicide, allucination, paranoia is just suppositions and imagination on your part, that fit ideas you had from years before about these subjects... nothing more. Do not confuse facts with supositions.

    Thalim and radiation and synthetic heroin are not Osho´s ideas. They are suppositions from his doctors.

    In relation to Osho Looking drugged on cable tv. I have seen those films and to me he looked “out there”, as he always was, not very human, not blinking... enlightenment they call it.
    But witty, clever, inteligent, profound and sharp as always. These are the same discourses that are shown, and you can buy, without any editing every night at the Osho meditation Resort in Poona. So to say that the they edited to get the drugged parts out is just a lie. The drug story your sole imagination.

    I asked Chilean Aseema, who was sheela´s maid in jesus grove and who stayed 6 months after the ranch was emptyed to take care of the property before it was sold, about your “N02 spigots by the side of the bed” and she said that she went to osho´s room many times, in fact she slept there some times and there was nothing like that... no spigots anywhere. She actually asked me from where I got that. Now what do we do with that? She has never even heard the story of the N02 and I asked her to discribe the room in detail without giving her an indication of what i was looking for. And then asked her directly. So this refute your Oregonian article.

    What you say about hitler was recorded in the discourses “ I am the gate”. And certainly you appear as one of the editors. No where he said “ I loved hitler”. What he says is something that is of public domain, and that is that Hitler had an aliance with Tibetan esoteric groups. In fact the Ttibetans supported the third reich. Where do you think the swastica came from. IT is an old esoteric symbol used both by jains and Tibetants. The Nazies just turened it around.

    Regarding the Stern Magazine interview. Your are confused. The interview was given to Der Spiegel, not Stern. What you mention is not an interview, but an article written by a german female journlaist about her stay in Poona two when Osho greeted her from the stage withe the Nazi salute as a joke. And then afterwards procedded to Speak about the damage that the third reich had done to gernan people and their guilt feelings as a culture.

    The interview in Der Spiegel, I have seen the video ( The last testament, july 19, 1985), and Osho says to both journalists, Erick Widdeman and Reiner Weber, when he is asked about hitler “I love the Man. He was Crazy”, Jokingly to see their reactions To what both german journalist look shocked, later he adds that “he considers the man to be completely immoral and a murderer” and he compares him with mahatma ghandi. Not to speak positive about hitler, but to show how immoral mahatma gandhi was. Now, the article in Der Spiegel, edited of course, show Osho comparing Hitler and Ghandi as saying both were great men. See how things are distored? Now this is why i suggest you use refernces. Otherwise what you write has no value. A quote without a refernce is a lie, sir.

    Finally I am supplying facts, quotes, references, eye-wittnesses, not newspaper clips and books i read. Who has the tunnel vision? Who belives what he wants to believe?
    I have the reports of the people directly involved saying you lie... or imagine things.
    Best regards
    Anthont thompson Ph. D.


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      : RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Date: Sep 7, 2007, 19:59
      If I confused the Stern magazine story with the Der Spiegel interview, I apologize. This is stuff I read many years ago, and the quotes were picked up in newspapers all around the world. I was at the Poona lectures when Rajneesh said that Hitler had "no choice" but to try to exterminate the Jews. I heard it first hand, as did hundreds of other people in the hall. You do not deny his comments praising Hitler, you try to pour honey on them and make them sound sweet and innocent. They were insane comments from an insane man. Rajneesh admired dictators, and had good things to say about South American dictators as well. Rajneesh was never a democrat. He was a man who believed that only he knew best, and that his rule was best for everyone. His whole philosophy was that there was such a thing as 'enlightenment' and that only the enlightened few knew what life was all about. Of course, he was the king of the enlightened elite, and the rest were second rate compared to him. It was all just an ego trip for him with no basis in fact. If anything, the phenomena we call "enlightenment" makes you a bit dumber. None of the great enlightened teachers were much good at anything except meditation. Their brains become specialized in meditation to the detriment of reasoning power and other positive attributes. J. Krishnamurti was no genius, and was a very poor student at school. Meher Baba was a tremendously egoistic and delusional teacher who mainly just bragged about how great he was. Enlightenment is not a magical phenomena that puts everything right inside your skull. Those great enlightened men that people worships all had allot of crazy and wrong ideas, and many behaved very badly indeed.

      Rajneesh used the myth of Tantra to rationalize his lies, crimes, and abuses. 'Tantra' can mean many things. It can mean 'method,' so just sitting in meditation or doing breathing exercises can be call "Tantra," and that is legitimate. But Rajneesh's use of the word Tantra (left handed Tantra) was just a scam to rationalize exploiting others and behaving in self-indulgent and dishonest ways. He was misleading people from day one, not leading them to the true facts of life. He said "trust me", I am enlightened and I know better than you. The problem was he didn't know better than anyone. His whole philosophy was wrong and destructive. People should not become mental slaves of anyone else. That is how ants work in colonies, all slaves to the queen. Human beings are more sophisticated than ants, and they deserve a will of their own.

      Your continued ridiculous assertions about Rajneesh's nitrous oxide use and Devageet's statements are getting old. You and Devageet love talking out of both sides of your mouths on this issue, and saying things that contradict your own statements. There is NO legitimate use of nitrous oxide other than very short term use for dental surgery only. Any other use by a dentist or a lay person is considered nitrous oxide drug abuse. Clearly, Rajneesh was a recreational user of nitrous oxide.

      I stated that Rajneesh's books were heavily edited. I never said his video tapes were edited. I have never bought any and would have no opinion on that. Obviously, they did not try to hide his drugged out lectures that I saw on Seattle TV because they were publicly broadcast. It is a fact that his books were heavily edited for content, and much of his insane and ridiculous statements were removed. That is a fact. They want to make him sound more sane, more up-to date, and less of an old fashioned Indian guru, which he was in many ways.

      I never intended to publish a long Web page on Rajneesh at all. I wrote a few short paragraphs on the Rajneesh fall from grace and explained how I thought such a thing could happen. Then the e-mail letters started to come in and people wanted to know more, or tell me of their horror stories about the ranch and all the corruption that existed there. I gradually expanded the essay piece by piece over years because I felt people should know the whole story. Shivamurti's book is difficult to find, and there needed to be some Web resource so that people can learn the facts of the fall of Rajneesh. Rajneesh was a drug addicted and very ill man in his later years. He was an admirer of Hitler and other strong men, and that is how he ran the Oregon commune: total control, wiretapping, and telling people they needed to get his permission even to leave. He used the same dirty tricks of mind control and submission that so many other self-deluded gurus have used, with the exact same disastrous results.

      Those are all facts, and so far you have refuted none of it, only pointed out that I confused the names of two German publications, but that the quotes themselves were accurate. Rajneesh's life cannot be defended in any sane and rational way. You can pretend that it all did not happen, but you will never erase the video tape of Rajneesh on the ABC news show, NIGHTLINE, where he lies through his teeth and embarrass himself and all of his disciples. If you look, you can find the video tape where he brags that he has had "sex with hundreds of women". That quote was published in papers all over the world, but it was also broadcast on television. I have forgotten if it was on one of the 60 MINUTES show or on one of the other TV news stories about him. The fact that you spent so much time and energy trying to deny that Rajneesh had sex with his own female disciples is ridiculous given his own video taped statements on the subject, which backs up Shivamurti's and Satya Bharti's books. Shivamurti knew Rajneesh very intimately, and he was his bodyguard. You deny things that everyone who was there knew, and you obfuscate the facts at every opportunity. You still have not stated whether you have ever even met Rajneesh himself.

      You also do not seem to appreciate that I was with many other Indian gurus, and most had the same general modus operandi. Muktananda was a thug who hit little kids and had sex with his female disciples, some of them well under age. Satchidananda taught celibacy, but has sex with his own female disciples, and tried to force himself sexually on them on many occasions. Dr. Mishra taught the virtues of celibacy but had sex with his female disciples, and intentionally walked into rooms when they were naked, pretending it was just an accident. Indian gurus like white women, and they like the big bucks. It's a business, a big business, and Rajneesh added drug abuse and many other crimes on top of the usual Indian guru abuses.

      All of the gurus I mentioned had powerful vibrations and could propel their students to higher levels of consciousness. The problem is, consciousness is not wisdom, not virtue, not honesty, not intelligence of any kind. It is a brain function similar to light. You can light up a room very brightly, but a insane criminal can live in a well lit room just as easily as a kind and wise genius. People who increase their consciousness level become confused and deluded and think it makes them smarter and better than others, but does not. In that sense "enlightenment" can become just another form of self-delusion. There is no "moksha," no "nirvana", and no escaping death, no reincarnation, no coming back, no freedom from the laws of nature. There is no "perfect state of being," but you can become cosmically conscious, which is normal and natural for humans to experience, even if it has little or no survival value.

      see:

      "Common Lies of the Phony World of Mystics"

      http://h ome.att.net/~meditation/C ommonLies.html

      Christopher Calder


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      Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: athomson@gmail.com
      Date: Sep 7, 2007, 20:05
      Read my full responseIn:
      http://www.d ynamicbrain.net/christoph er-calder-krishna-christ- and-his-lying-or-misinfor med-lost-truth

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        Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
        Date: Sep 7, 2007, 20:30
        Sir, You are misquoting me. I never said osho was celibate. Read my responses or article.Please.!
        Second I am not puring honey on anything. Just stating what i have seen and read. Not interpreting or, specially, quoting someone who is dead without saying where is that quote comming from.
        I can state i Heard osho say whatever i can imagine. but if I can not supply a refernce or a proof to that, it is an irrelevant statement.
        I can get you a dozen qupotes where he stated he loved the jews. In fact 40% of his disciles were jews! I can give you one refernce:Last estament, 1985, page 99 he says "I love them, what to say about liking them."
        So your confusing magazines is not just coincidence. This is the unprofessional and irresponsable way you write: from your own memory, stories you heard, rumors.. and of course, your special ability to " feel" people in television sets or from 40 meters away. Great!
        I dare you to come up with one quote with reference where he is talking positively of a south american dictator, Please!!

        Again, why would people "heavly edit" rajneesh´s books if anyone can buy a video or an audio recording of the same speech. They are sold everywhere anybody c an hear what he said.
        What you call facts are just your assumptions. I am sorry.Again get me the FBI reports you quote, Get me an eyewitnss realiable account of the drug addiction story...

        I will not discuss your theories regarding enlightenment, meditation, brain functioning and cosmic consciossnes, because you are neither a neurologist or a research scientist. Any one can see the film " what the bleep do we know" go to internet and read and quote ( without any refernce) any idea regarding other people´s studies in relation to this and then state it asproven fact. To what laboratory did you go to? in what field reserch have you been involved? Please!!!
        i am waiting
        Anthony Thompson PHD
        http://www.dynamicbr ain.net/christopher-calde r-krishna-christ-and-his- lying-or-misinformed-lost -truth

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          Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
          WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
          Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
          Date: Sep 8, 2007, 2:01
          Anthony,

          You are not the first person to call me a liar for telling people what Rajneesh himself said. In discussions with other Osho people, I told about when Rajneesh gave his theory that if you had intercourse for 3 hours with a woman, the baby produced would be a Buddha. I was called a liar until someone looked it up and found out it was true.

          You use to claim that I was never close to Rajneesh. Now you seem to have dropped that false claim. You lied!

          You burnt up allot of calories trying to say that I made up stories about Rajneesh grabbing women's breasts and having sex with them at Woodlands. You even hinted I got those stories from Shivamurti, which is ridiculous, because he was largely at a small farm commune outside of Bombay, not living at Woodlands. How Shivamurti found out about the Woodlands incidents I do not know, but I was physically there and they were all people I knew and talked to. I have never talked to Shivamurti in my entire life. We were around each other, but we traveled in different circles and we never spoke to each other in conversation. Once when I was in the bathroom at Bhagwan's bungalow in Poona at the wrong time, and he banged on the door, asking me to get out, as he had to take a shower so he could GUARD Rajneesh during nightly darshan. He spoke to me through a bathroom door. That is all. I liked Shivamurti and I do trust him, but we were never friends and we did not conspire to slander Rajneesh. I knew Satya Bharti Franklin very well as she visited the upstate New York Rajneesh ashram where I stayed for many months. I knew her at Woodlands and in Poona as well. She has no motive to lie about Rajneesh, and her book is very accurate. Both Shivamurti and Satya Bharti got the details of the life of Rajneesh at Woodland's right, and details about his life at Poona right, so why would both suddenly lose the ability to get the facts straight at the Oregon ranch? I was only at the ranch twice, and it was a very creepy experience. J. Krishnamurti's statements about it being a "concentration camp" were correct.

          Again, I ask, have you ever met Rajneesh even once?

          Rajneesh pumped Jews for money all he could. On occasion he also praised Indian politicians he wanted to sway and gain support from, especially Indera Ghandi. It was his way to manipulate people. He praised people when he wanted something from them, and condemned them when he had no use for them. In a face to face meeting I had with Rajneesh at Woodlands, he told me directly that U.G. Krishnamurti was "realized." When U.G. started criticizing Rajneesh, Rajneesh suddenly changed his story and started to call U.G. a "phony guru." Rajneesh was a chronic liar, and he lied every day as a guru to gain power and money. He lied about reincarnation, he lied about being in a perfect state of enlightenment, he lied about being infallible, he lied about other gurus who criticized him, he lied about not getting a woman pregnant, he lied about not taking drugs, then he at least partially admitted the truth about his love of nitrous oxide. He lied about almost everything.

          If your prime motive is to tell the truth, then you just tell it. You do not lie to people to lead them to the truth, you just tell the truth from the very start. Rajneesh was creating a guru business. Lying was part of his business plan. Even I felt I had to edit out some of his grandiose and obnoxious words out of 'The Silent Explosion," his first hard cover book which I helped edit and which I named. It is common knowledge that all of his books have been edited heavily to remove rants and obnoxious comments. Ask around, you will find sannyasins and former sannyasins who remember the infamous lecture where he ranted against Jews and how Hitler "had no choice" but to try and exterminate them. That lecture was given in Poona, not Bombay, and I would guess around 1974, but I did not keep track of the dates. You do not seem to appreciate that I never carried around a notebook all these years as a reporter in hopes of one day writing about Rajneesh. But my quotes are accurate, and they were burned into my brain when I read them or heard them directly from his own mouth. You are in political terms "stonewalling." In psychological terms, your are in "denial."

          As far as Rajneesh taking LSD, I do not blame him for that. It shows he was open minded, which is good. I just wish he had taken it when he was 18, as I did, and not when he was in his fifties and had major responsibilities. It was Neem Karoli Baba (died in 1973), Ram Dass's guru, who took 500 micrograms of LSD to impress Ram Dass, or so the story goes. That really should not impress that much as thousands, if not millions of ordinary people have taken 500 micrograms of LSD and not gone crazy or jumped out of windows. A talented yogi like Neam Caroli Baba, or even an average psychedelic drug user should have no problem handling that much LSD with ease. Nityananda (died 1963) was Muktananda's guru, and I never heard of him taking drugs.

          I met Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) at Muktananda's ashram in Ganeshpuri, India, in 1970, a few weeks before I met Rajneesh in Bombay. I was there and he came to visit Muktananda.

          Christopher Calder


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            p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
            Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
            Date: Sep 8, 2007, 9:32

            .calder .... hola .... papal inquisidor ................

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              Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
              Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
              Date: Sep 8, 2007, 15:33
              Dear calder. I am beginning to like you. I like people who can argue and at the same time are witty and intelligent. I do not have time to answer the things you say right away, but I´ll do it later... mabe tonight.
              However, If you would fill your article with references, including from where you get your neurological-dna stuff. you would be quoted for etenrnity as a Rejaneesh expert. Before you do that, you are just someone nobody remembers from poona one. Which means you were no close to the guy. And someone whose claims can be just refuted as imagination ...
              see you later
              Anthony

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                Christopher Calder: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
                WWW: home.att.net/~meditation
                Email: calderhome@yahoo.com
                Date: Sep 8, 2007, 19:44
                Anthony,

                You are a hopeless liar and a very unintelligent person. I am sure I am not the first person to tell you that. I ask again, have you ever met Rajneesh, even once?

                Satya Bharti, Shivamurti, and myself were all early close disciples of Rajneesh. I lived at his apartment right across the hall from him, edited his first hard cover book at his request, and helped start his very first ashram in the USA, which was called Samarpan, all at his request. All three of us, Shivamurti, Satya Bharti, and myself had many, many face to face private meetings with Rajneesh over years, and we were all disciples for years. You were not in Bombay and apparently, judging from your silence on the issue, you were not even in Poona when Rajneesh was alive. Ask Tirtha, Swami Yoga Chinmaya, Swami Krishna Saraswati, Mukta, Seema, Neeta, Ravi, Karuna, etc., etc. etc. You have no credibility,...zero.

                I am leaving this forum because there is no point in having a conversation with an insane person, and that is what I have been saying all along. The only people left in the Osho cult are chronic liars and the insane. I wish that were not the case, and I did everything I could to stop things from getting this bad, but that is the way things worked out. When the guru lies all his life, he ends up with disciples who themselves are all liars.

                Signing off,....Cheers, Christopher Calder

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                  p.r.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
                  Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
                  Date: Sep 8, 2007, 20:40
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                  . 'leaves' yet another of his 'tennis games' ....


                  . calder .... the 'man' that never 'met' ....

                  . will again 'lie awake' ..... day and night ............

                  . 'dreaming' of the time ......................... ........

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                    Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
                    Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
                    Date: Sep 9, 2007, 0:19
                    Mr. Calder...come on! I have taken your insults all this time and suddenly you get offended... such a sensitive skin! I must have touched some bone there!

                    Now your points.
                    First I have never claimed to have been close to or part of any of rajneesh´s inner circles. I have claimed to be an expert researcher who has devoted 22 years of his life to study this subject. Any claim I have, I have put from where i got it. I have claimed to interview the people directly involved in your allegations who have told me a different story. i said this from the very first post: that i had different second hand information than you and that there was no need to be agressive and insulting because of that.

                    I was in poona back in 88 and i have been 7 times since then.
                    I never questioned your closeness in bombay, I questioned your closeness in poona one and the ranch that it is when the issues I have dicussed happenned. you said many times that from my writing you could tell i was a crazy person, well you could not tell, how could you! that english was not my first language.
                    I never said osho was celibate i just questioned the fact you said that you knew about his sexual encounters. Ok, you knew. i have to trust what you say because I have no way to corroborate it. Your friend Eunice from that time, also doubted your stories, so what to say about me!

                    Any Osho quote that you say you heard and provide no proof is not an argument. I say i heard the man say otherwise. I give you a refernce to look it up... you give me nothing. I can not go into your head!!

                    Shivamurti´s and satya bharti´s books are quite different, but both agree in that their desilution was around Sheela.
                    They both have stories of the rumurs of osho having sex... after all he was the "sex-guru", but none of them seemed to have much problem with that and certaily not shiva who enjoyed that atmosphere back there. I interviwed a close friend of him, from the times he was a resident in kaleidoscope in London, Michael Barnett´s Institute, to the end of his stay in USA. and she told me a lot of stories about him that i will not share here , but put in serious doubts many of the things he says in the book. She also looked like a decent person to me.

                    Reagarding satya Bharti I have nothing to say. She tells her experience and her suppositions about many issues. The only thing that i might question is the fact that she gives to the very same events totally different meanings in her three books, depending on her own conceptual model.

                    Regarding osho and the jews... I am a jew myself. My family escaped 5 minutes before the nazies got to Prague in checkoslovakia... and we are not stupid people. If 40 percent of us make up for his disciples, then we are either strupid for being with an ati-semite or the guy did say something else.

                    I consede that he might have said what you say...he said a lot of things. the same way of the quote I gave you from Der Spiegel, but if you see the whole context the meaning is quite something else. this is the same stupid thing that people quote Osho saying " Only dying liberates" and think he is in favor of suice and then they read the whole idea and it is " only dying liberates, dying to the past, dying to the ego". Because this is what you are doing... and even worst... no references whatsoever.

                    And do not get mad. I interviewed about you people who were very close to osho from 1974 to his death and they did not know you. I did not interview any one from Bombay... my mistake! but the main issues I discusse happned later on.
                    Ok devageet confused baba neem karolie with Nityananda, well you confused Stern with Der Spiegel, but that is not the issue, isn´t it?
                    Finally I am not an eye wittness to anything. I am an investigator: I collect information from eye-witnesses who say you lie... or have been misinformed. What do you want me to do!? You give me no choice but to ask for your references... and the whole context of a chapter. including the neurological stuff.

                    Rajneesh was a master not a philosopher. The things he said, whatever he said, was meant to be heard by the people he was speaking to. So you can get him to say whatever! because he was trying to do something with the people right there. He himself tells the story of buddha being asked if there is a god and he gives three different answers depending on the questioner. You can recall him making anti- women liberation remarks to a question from a radical feminist and then later saying the total opposite to a south americam male chouvinist. Speking of god to an atheist and of the ridiculus idea of a holy father to a catholic. So he spoke agianst the jews, in favor of them, against capitalism, in favor of it. He was trying to tell us not to get hooked in ideas but to drop them... he was destroying our conceptual models, our tendency to assign meaning systems to everything.
                    So it happned that you drop them, great! rejoice! No need to get angry at the man for whatever you heard some time. And it is silly to get now hooked in genetic and neurological research stuff that you are reading as the new answer... we will have you in a couple of years writing angry essays against neurologists for lying to you.
                    Best regards
                    Anthony



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                      Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
                      Date: Sep 9, 2007, 0:29
                      http://www.dynamicbrain.n et/christopher-calder-kri shna-christ-and-his-lying -or-misinformed-lost-trut h

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                  signing off: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
                  Date: Sep 16, 2007, 11:59
                  christopher calder writes " I am leaving this forum" and then goes on. Just leave - no need even to write "I am leaving this forum"

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      An Osho Fan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
      Date: Sep 9, 2007, 10:19
      Anthony,

      as always, thank you for a REALLY objective reply. Your replies are among the few in opposition to Calder that I think are objective enough..though on occassions you too do loose objectivity..

      but this one was dot on the point.

      Regards
      Indraj it

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An Osho Fan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email:
Date: Sep 9, 2007, 16:48
For the (now) signed off Christopher Calder i.e.
..and by the way..let's make it two.

As an introduction, I wish to say this.

Mr. Calder, I said earlier that you are "trying" to make an argument to prove that Osho was nothing more than a shrewd businessman who lied left and right to see that people (and exactly the sort he wanted) get attracted to him.

What you have been saying all along in support of your view was some claims from whatever references you have given and almost all of which has been credibly refuted by Mr. Thomson.

In addition to that you have stated to have heard first hand from some Ma Prem that Osho have had sex with her which in my view she could have been easily making up to attract attention and moreover because of some psychological tendency to make up sensational (but untruthful) stories, once again to attract attention. ( after all having sex you Osho definitely made you special)

And as a plus with the above two you have simply (and many times so) vented your opinion that all of Osho followers/people who like whatever Osho said are chronic liers. (Very easy, whom you follow was a chronic lier because he kept contradicting his own statements from time to time, seemingly telling whatever suits the occasion at hand, so you yourself must be a liar. Well maybe you are not a liar, but the way you have visibly interpreted Osho's words makes it clear that you are anything but an intelligent person, someone who looks at the moon when it is pointed to and not at the finger. From how you interpret things, it seems very obvious to me ( someone born in 1976 and who learnt about and started reading Osho since 2003) that you are a person whose entire focus falls on the finger and not the moon. No wonder you have come to the conclusion that Osho was a liar in all respect, because someone who you think claims the finger to be the moon must be a liar.)

And finally, you have, at point blank, thrown your view of "the brain theory of enlightenment" on all the readers of this sharing, without it having any significance to what was being discussed here but just to prove that Osho could very much have been an "enlightened" liar.

To sum up, there are a thousand things that can be said (and very logically and (seemingly from what Mr. Thomson says) credibly so) against all that you say, but since you wish to leave the world of this sharing, "dominated-by-pathol ogical-liars"(what a coincidence! that only pathological liars all over the planet get attracted to the covers/titles of Osho books and start liking what he said ( to speak of people who never visited Puna or has met Osho but only know him thru his videos/tapes or books), you have saved me the trouble to find out meticulously all that I could have said against your claim and the proof you forward in it's support.

But if you still, by any chance come visit this page just to see any additional posts ( as usual, made by some insane and lying Osho follower), here are two things I'd dearly like you to read:

1. Whenever Osho has said to you in person or in some video tape that he "had sex with 100s of women", did he specifically said that he was referring to his present life or that some of the women were his sannyasins..like saying "I've had sex with 100s of my sannyasins"? If he did not, I would think he was referring to the experiences of the innumerable former human births he has taken prior to this birth where he finally attained "moksha" ( the formal definition of liberation or "enlightenment" , the sanskrit word "moksha" means forgiveness or pardon..wherein the soul is pardoned from undergoing the suffering of having to be born as a creature in any level ever again).

2. You repeatedly talk about cosmic conciousness and also repeatedly talk about conciousness being a biological phenomena happenning in the brain. So where does "cosmic" conciousness come into picture then? does the cosmos have a brain? NO. Is any ordinary creature aware/concious of the cosmos that he/she dwells in at all times? YES. So what IS this "cosmic" conciousness that you claim some people can attain, because, you say, their DNA allows it to happen?
My question is, what do you mean by using the term in the first place.

To conlcude, just wanted to point out to you that "enlightenment" is not some fun state of mind to have or a superlatively pleasurable continuous state of being, as seems to be how you interpret it to mean. ( or else, I don't see any plausible reason, as to why, you, being a firm beliver of a single-life-from-birth-to -death theory would continue to have any interest in meditation or eligntement and so forth). An enlightened being has all the problem any ordinary being has. He grows old and dies like everybody else. Only an enlighted being does not suffer from any "diseases" (chronic allergy to something is not a disease or ailment as the Gautam Buddha puts it), or in short an enlightened being is free of all the seven "dukkhas" or sufferings the Gautama Buddha has listed out ( read 'em on the web if you don't know about them).

"Enlightenment&q uot; rather means "moksha" ( a term first known to be used by Gautam Budhha to mean liebration or enlightenment) which I have defined above for you to mean freedom from all suffering, and hence, from the continuous cycle of birth and death (birth and death being the first two sufferings of the seven).

So now, either you will change your belief about reincarnation, rebirth etc., or will change your interests from meditation, attaining enlightenment etc. ( because there is no possible gain for you therein given the definition and the surmise of the description of "enlightenment" or an "enlightened" state of being from a spiritual perspective, you being a believer of the single-life... theory), or will, with very definite malintentions of spreading confusion amidst masses, keep talking about your stupid brain theories and your interest in meditation at the same time.

- A truth lover ( and of course, an Osho fan)
Indrajit

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An Osho Fan: RE:one for Christopher Calder
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Sep 9, 2007, 16:56

1. my last post was called, "One for Christopher Calder" and don't know why it does not appear on the page.

2. my e-mail id (which also does not appear) is indrajit.iit@gmail.com , in case it disappears from this post too...

3. I forgot to meantion in my last post: Mr. Calder, in addition to the four things in general which I said you have said successfully, all your posts combined, you have evaded answering to a zillion points made by Mr. Thompson and myself and only answered those to which you could have.

-Thanks
Indraji t

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: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Sep 9, 2007, 20:31
For me, there is nothing to say on Mr. Calder’s story about Osho since I had no chance to know Osho personally. Plus Osho is Osho, let him be himself, he did not harm any one except himself if Mr. Calder’s story is true.

However I do not agree with Mr. Calder’s remark on “ people who increase their consciousness level become confused and deluded and think it makes them smarter and better than others, but does not. In that sense "enlightenment" can become just another form of self-delusion????????

I think Mr. Calder meant to say “people who increase their UNconsciousness level become confused and deluded and think it makes them smarter and better than others, but does not. In that sense "enlightenment" can become just another form of self-delusion “ This way it sounds more scientific…

Mr. Calder. please experiment with yourself first to have a little consciousness, and then let us know if you become confused and deluded and think it makes you smarter and better than others..

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sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Sep 9, 2007, 21:14
as long as chirs wants to believe which is imagined, there won't be listening to which is posted which reveals otherwise

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    Jayen: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email:
    Date: Sep 12, 2007, 2:04
    This has been a quite interesting discussion, thanks to Christopher and Anthony, and Indrajit.

    I would like to add a few more things:

    1. Hitler

    Just the other day I read an article by an anti-cult activist who claimed Osho had said that he (Osho) was like Hitler, but without his mistakes, that Hitler and what he had really wanted had been good, and that Hitler “was as moral as Mahatma Gandhi”, “more of a Hindu than Mahatma Gandhi himself”, “a saint.” – all based on this Spiegel interview. Now, this is the relevant section of the actual Hitler interview, as can be verified by viewing the tape:

    Q: HOW WOULD YOU JUDGE HITLER MORALLY AND POLITICALLY?

    A: Morally, he was as moral as Mahatma Gandhi.

    Q: AS MAHATMA GANDHI?

    A: Yes, because I consider both absolutely immoral. In fact, he was more a Hindu than Mahatma Gandhi himself...

    Q: IN WHAT RESPECT?

    A: In his life. In his way of living...

    Q: BECAUSE HE WAS A VEGETARIAN...?

    A: He was a vegetarian...

    Q: BUT HE WAS NOT NONVIOLENT, AS MAHATMA GANDHI WAS.

    A: Mahatma Gandhi was also not nonviolent. Just wait a bit; let me finish with Adolf Hitler. He was a vegetarian. He was an early riser in the morning, going early back to sleep. He remained a bachelor almost his whole life -- only three hours before he died, he married. He was not a drunkard, he was not a smoker. He was a puritan in every possible way, and he lived a life of discipline, just as a saint lives in a monastery.

    You ask me if Gandhi was nonviolent. That was a political strategy -- but he was not nonviolent. He had declared that after India became independent, armies would be dissolved. But when India became independent and he was asked about armies being dissolved, he remained silent. He was really a cunning man. His secretary said that it was his day of silence. (19 July 1985, Spiegel interview)

    To put this into context, here two earlier quotes:

    Just think: if Adolf Hitler had been a cripple or had amoebas or was continuously getting hepatitis, the world would have been saved. In fact, Adolf Hitler was against smoking, against alcohol. He was a pure vegetarian like Mahatma Gandhi. In fact, both men have many things in common. Both believed in going early to bed and both believed in getting up early in the morning. Both believed that vegetarian food is great. Both believed that smoking is bad, alcohol is bad. Both were great saints. The only difference was that Mahatma Gandhi had the Jaina characteristic very much developed in him -- he was only ten percent Hindu, ninety percent Jaina -- so he tortured himself. Adolf Hitler had the Mohammedan characteristic developed in him: he tortured others, he didn't torture himself. But both tortured. Whom they tortured is not of that much significance. They both were enjoying torture. ... (1980, Zen: Zest, Zip, Zap and Zing)

    To torture oneself or to torture others, both are diseases -- the very idea to torture. Somebody is an Adolf Hitler, he tortures others; somebody is a Mahatma Gandhi, he tortures himself. Both are in the same boat -- maybe standing back to back, but standing in the same boat. Adolf Hitler's joy is in torturing others, Mahatma Gandhi's joy is in torturing himself, but both are violent. The logic is the same -- their joy depends on torture. Their direction is different, but the direction is not the question, their mind has the same attitude: torture. You respect a person who tortures himself because you don't understand the logic of it. Adolf Hitler is condemned all over the world and Gandhi is worshipped all over the world, and I am simply puzzled. How is it possible? -- because the logic is the same. (1977, Tao: The Pathless Path)

    In addition, there are of course innumerable times where Osho describes Hitler as a pygmy, as occupying the lowest rank a human being can sink to, etc.

    Misquoting Osho, or quoting him out of context, is one of the favourite and most despicable pastimes of the anti-cultists.

    2. Weaver article: The spigots

    This Weaver text that Christopher keeps referring to and which is available at http://home.att.net/~medi tation/Weaver.html is obviously not reliable. Just one paragraph above the famous spigots, Weaver writes, with seemingly remarkable clarity of memory:

    “Two days later, the Bhagwan and Ma Anand Sheela absconded from the Big Muddy, attempting to flee the country, and leaving their acolytes high and dry. On the same day, the two Prineville BLM chiefs announced their resignations.”

    There is just a little problem … nothing like this happened. Sheela left on her own for Germany, Osho stayed in Oregon and denounced her to the press. Now I am supposed to believe this kind of witness?

    That’s before we come to telling apart, say, an oxygen spigot for a known asthma sufferer from a nitrous oxide spigot … if indeed there were any spigots at all.

    3. Sex with sannyasins

    Indrajit was asking if there was any reference where Osho says he has had sex with 100s of his woman sannyasins. In fact, there is; it is in The Last Testament, Vol. 1, 22 July 1985 pm in Jesus Grove, and goes like this:

    Q: HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CELIBATE?

    A: Right now I am celibate, but if my health gets better I am not going to be celibate. I have never been celibate. I do not do anything against nature. Right now I am celibate not because celibacy has any value, but just because I am sick. I don't have any energy to make love to a woman and do all the gymnastics, no. I have enough energy to talk to my people, to talk to you. If I get healthy again, I promise you, I will not be celibate.

    Q: DON'T PROMISE ME, PROMISE THEM. ALL THESE LADIES ABOUT THE PLACE TELL ME THAT YOU'RE A GREAT LOVER.

    A: I am!

    Q: HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT?

    A: Many of them must have loved me. I must have loved them.

    Q: DOES THAT MEAN YOU'VE HAD SEX WITH THEM?

    A: Certainly. How do you love if you don't have sex with them?

    Q: HOW DO YOU CHOOSE YOUR SEXUAL PARTNERS?

    A: No question, because I don't have any contract, any relationship, anything similar to marriage. No, just for the moment, in the moment.
    Traveling in a train I meet a stranger... I don't ask even the name of the woman, because we may never meet again. What is the point? But if she is willing.... And I am really the Blessed One: I don't know why, but women are always willing. I have never come across a woman who was not willing. If I was not willing, that is another matter -- but if I was willing, then I have never come across a woman in my life who was not willing.
    And there was no question of any promise that, "I will love you forever, forever." There is no problem. It is just a momentous, momentary affair. We share this moment, we enjoy this moment. And perhaps at the next station I will be gone, or she will be gone and we may never see each other again. I have not seen again many women with whom I had a beautiful moment of love.

    But there are many women here in my commune, and that proves a very fundamental thing: that although I have loved so many women they are not jealous of each other.

    I have seen this video on the net somewhere, but it is not on youtube (not yet, I have hopes ...) – however, for a fun video, you could do worse than watch this one:

    http://www.youtube.co m/watch?v=0v3OeszyaxE

    Love, J.


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      Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: abut calder stuff
      Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
      Date: Sep 12, 2007, 17:37
      Thank you. jayen for your quotes. i have integrated them to my article on Mr. calder. sorry he is not here anymore to answer this discussion.
      regards
      Any hony
      see full article:
      http://www.dyna micbrain.net/christopher- calder-krishna-christ-and -his-lying-or-misinformed -lost-truth

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        p.r.: RE:abut calder stuff
        Email: moc.liamtohat@hotmail.com
        Date: Sep 16, 2007, 12:13

        . will christopher calder christoph schnelle and aliASSES ....

        . petulant priests of arrogance .......................

        . now continue to look for other pulpits ...........

        . to spit their SermonS from ......................... .

        . now that thompson indrajit jayen sahyo and more and more ....

        , are there to ......................... .......................

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          Eunice wellington: RE:abut calder stuff
          Date: Sep 17, 2007, 19:39

          I would very much like to close this forum debate with a re-writing ofo my last mail to Chris, which was not answered:
          Chris, dear. I am not a blind old woman. But I am not going to "throw the baby with the bath water". J. Krishnamurti was also betrayed by his personal assistant and this assistant also did things in the name of Krishnamurti that to this day, some of the older friends still think it was him who was behind.
          I am well aware of the whole story. As I think was Rajneesh himself. I still remeber when he said back in 1985 that he was not resposable for the crimes, but he was willing to take responsability for not being more concerned about what Sheela was doing. But even that is not the issue. Everyone is ultimately responsible for him/herself. You, me, Rajneesh, the sannyasins.
          The issue here is that this man touched millions of people toward their own awakening, in a way that noone, even Krishnamurti did. Krishnamurti surrounded himself with intelectuals who belived what he said about no need of a master. See where is krishnamurti´s work today...at the back of a library of the very same intelectuals. See where is Rajneesh´s work today... still liberating and touching thousands of people all over the world. His meditations still help people to be free from repressed emotions. To become quieter and silent. And his understanding of the workings of human beings regarding love, intimacy, creativity, sharing and living my own truth, going in, etc are still golden nuggests. Read any book and you will see.
          The fleet of cars, the preety girls... all that is irrelevant. Whoever felt hurt by being associated with him should take responsability for him/herself and the choices they made... Do you remember what it felt like to be blissed out in silence in his presence. That awoke something in you, me and the hundred of thousands of people who sat at his feet. And that is something that can not be debated. He helped us all to find this space of meditation.
          Regarding your exchange with Mr. Thompson, I think he makes a point. There is no need to be violent Chris. He did not threatened you. He just disagreed and presented what I think are valid arguments. Even I am thinking of one myself: Why did bhagwan called for dental sessions if he had the Nitrous Oxide by the side of his bed? he could not turn the faucet on?
          Chris, I have dear memories of our time together... lighten up boy, life is much more rich than just being stuck in resentement... that after all, the only person hurt by it...is you.
          The way out of emotional tension is through greatfulness. And hear this advice of an old lady. Only greatfulness liberates. Your cruzade is a step egainst your own peace of mind. Let them take responsabilities for them selves. Everyone needs to come to his own terms with life.
          You are fifty something now, I presume. Not much time left... just say thank you to the old man and let the others to come to find their own truth.
          Love
          Eunice


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An Osho Fan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Sep 23, 2007, 18:38
Sorry about my delay in response to Jayen's post.

First of all thank you Jayen for putting up quotes from Osho which points to the possible fact that he had sex with his sannyasis ( unless he was lying thru his teeth as we all know something Osho was very much capable of).

But what really worries me about the quotes is Osho saying, "Of course (I had sex with them), how else does someone love..."

after all that he has said about love.

( I love my mother, my grandmother (maternal and paternal), my maternal and paternal aunts..doesn't mean I had sex with them..and after all that he has said about love and kinds of love...)

makes me think he went senile during the Last Testament.

But that's defnitely still not proof of Osho's actually having sex with 100s of his sannyasins. Nothing else would be other than 100s of them telling so. But it definitely is a direct quote from Osho about which I had doubts.

Jayen, thanks once again.

Regards
Indraj it
Regards
LoL

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: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Sep 23, 2007, 19:05
Osho said " When one is totally free, then everything is a happening, a leela". It seems to me Osho lived his life as a free man, afraid of nobody's opinion at least. The more I read his books, the more I love him!!!!

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    Anthony Thompson: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: athomson@gmail.com
    Date: Sep 24, 2007, 2:07
    Indrajit. what does it matter weather he had sex with two, ten or a hundre women? What does it matter that he had sex? Does that mean he was not enlightened? He said that to trascend sex does not mean not to have sex, but to go beyond the mechanic, biological impulse. To go beyond the " need" to. I do not "need" to eat ice cream... but I certainly enjoy it when i don it.
    In relation to love and sex. he was speaking to a journalist, tring to provoke a response from him. he saqid anuthing in those interviews to shock these guys. I do not think he had sex with hundred women. Perhaps 40 at the most... then he had diabetes... as you know you can not get it up with this illness.
    love anthony

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sahyo: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Sep 25, 2007, 4:13
yes osho didn't fear

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Indrajit Paul: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Oct 5, 2007, 13:27
Mr. Thompson,

Sorry once again for my delay in response. I was busy with lots of interviews and their preparations.

It's good that you ask me how it matters if Osho had sex.

Well, to answer to you, being born an Indian I know of several enlightened people (not that people get enlightened in India only ( though I think the no. of them has been predominantly more here), but in India they definitely gain a lot of popularity unlike other places) in India starting from Gautama Buddha (and many others who have been considered as enlightened men in India for ages), and in my knowledge none of them had sex.

The reason for that, in my mind is that having sex is an act of passion ( which is a very bad word to use for what I am trying to communicate)..it Indian terms, sex is dominated by Rajah-guna ( the "activity" mode of nature. nature has three modes as specified in the Bhagwad Gita, the Hindu holy text (which is the sermon on human life and creation by the Lord Krishna to his friend-converted-to-disci ple Arjuna) , satwa, the liberation mode or the "truth" mode, rajas, the binding mode or the activity mode, and tamas, the destroying mode or the heavyness/dullness mode) and in my knowledge the enlightened people participate in only satwik ( dominated by satwa) activity because they have been released from the cycle of karma and they do not participate in activity that generates any karma ( or a spiritual debt arising out of imperfect and thereby incomplete action). And sex being dominated by Rajas generates karma. ( although, it might be possible that you can have sex and still not generate any karma, but I have never heard of it in my 20 years of research on karma and enlightenment or release from it ).

The long and short of it is that all the people I know of who has attained enlightenment has abstained from sex thereafter.

That's why, it matters ( at least to me personally) if Osho had sex or not after his enlightenment ( which he claims to have attained).

However, in my mind, I am sure of the fact that Osho was no exception and believe he was lying about his not being celibate just to provoke a reaction as you said.

Moreover, in Osho's own words, all creatures have sex for the allure of the moment of "oneness" (with divinity..or whatever..creation is one, therefore absolute oneness is one where there is no seperation between the individual and the divine or anything). One who is enlightened is established in that "oneness". A mere act (or for that matter, any action or any kind) does not produce a difference in them. That's why enlightened ones had been known to be established in perfect inaction ( and omni-action (if there is a word like that), meaning they do absolutely nothing and thereby do absolutely everything ( a concept one comes across if he/she is into spiritualism), because that's the nature of creation, consisting of numerous activities, and yet perfectly still ( i understand very difficult ot express or grasp in everyday, "real" world (or material)terminology).

In short, an enlightened person is already enjoying the "enjoyment" part of having sex, all the time.

Going by this, if it can be really proved that Osho was having sex, after having attained his enlightenment, then, to me, with my present knowledge, it would mean he was not enlightened at all.

I am sorry if it hurts the feeling of other people who appreciate Osho's works and words..but this is what I know and what my knowledge means.

Regards
Indraj it


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An Osho Fan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Oct 5, 2007, 13:40
and one more thing. No one physically "need"s to have sex. You won't die or suffer ill health if you do not have sex( at most you will have nightfalls) .

So essentially the need is of the feeling of bliss, "ananda", or oneness that sex provides.

And as I said, a enlightened person is getting that feeling all the time.

So if he is still doing it, he would be doing it only because he likes the act. But as has been said in the Gita and by the buddha: enlgihtenment is to go beyond all attractions and repulsions, beyond all likes and dislikes.

Given all these things, I simply don't see any reason why an enlightened one would be having sex.

bye
Indrajit

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    Anthony Thompson: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
    Date: Oct 5, 2007, 18:40
    Indrajit. There are several levels to this. The people whom by tradition we think are enlightened, are people who have become more myths than real human beings. So we can not know for sure what they actually did. Actually we do not even know really if enlightenement exist... unless we are enlightened. So for me all the stories, about buddha, raman maharshi, ramakrishna, meher baba, etc, are stories built on myth many times. Like jesus being born out of a virgin mother.
    So, I can not even judge osho enlightenment.

    Sex is a biological need. A need that actually cannot be repressed. Even if you do, it will come out in dreams, as was the case of Gandhi. In the west we have the problem with the celibate priests and sexual abuse, precisely because of this idea that sex is not a need. there is enough scientific research that proves that is just second to eating.
    My understanding of bramacharya is a trascendence from the biological pull, but not a trascendence necesarily from human nature.
    And yes, I think Osho had sex.

    greetings
    Anthon y

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An Osho Fan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Oct 6, 2007, 16:20
Hi Anthony,

Thank you for your response.

Though my views about enjoyment remains different from your's (that is I don't think enlightened people, hoping there really is something like enlightenment, would be enjoying things in the same terms as un-enlightened ones would), but I do agree with most part of your first mail.

And from what I have read about Osho's life ( the part that he used to confine himself in a room most of the time and would eat the exact same meal everyday and do nothing but just sit there(other than giving darshans and discourses) ), it makes me personally feel he was celibate for most part of his life.

Though I would agree that both your's and my view are our own personal speculation, and therefore it is because I would like to verify my own theory of enlightenment that I am so interested in finding out if Osho really had sex as Calder insists.

My Regards
Indrajit

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An Osho Fan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Oct 6, 2007, 16:24
Hi,

Sorry about missing out on several commas in the last para of my last mail.

And I wanted to say this also, that please do let me know in case you come across any first hand testimony to the topic of our current discussion in your research activity.

:)

Regards
Indraj it

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    Anthony Thompson: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: athomson@gmail.com
    Date: Oct 6, 2007, 22:42
    Indrajit. I can share the information i have and I have collected as far as his sexual activity:
    Greek Seema was his mistress while he was living in bombay. Then came vivek who stayed with him and apparently had sex with him untill 1977. By that time she started moving with other men and having lovers, so probably whatever she had with osho was over. I have no reports from realiable wittnesses appart from that. So how much sex he had ai can not say.
    He did stayed in his room doing nothing most of the time and I do not think he ever had an actual romantic relationship the way we understand it. So, if he did have sex with Vivek was in a differet context from what we think is a boyfriend-girfriend relationship.
    Again, for me having or not sex is not an issue.I understand that as far as Indian conditioning is concerned the views are different. the reason why is not an issue is the same with wealth or money in relation to enlightenment: Poverty is not a sign of spirituallity, neither is celibacy. I can enjoy wealth and that does not mean that i depend on it. So for me the issue is dependence not sex or money.
    regards
    Anthony


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An Osho Fan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: indrajit.iit@gmail.com
Date: Oct 9, 2007, 8:20
Hi Anthony,

our differences aside, I WOULD agree to this that the issue is dependence.

:)

Also , Thank you for the info.

Regards
Indraji t


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    Vinay Kumar: RE
    Date: Oct 10, 2007, 19:13
    Hi All
    Find your own way.Trust your self.Guru has his own way.He can show you path,but u can not go his way.Every one has his own individuality,so you have to
    find your own way.Osho never said follow me.He was against any follow system.Every one is unique,that was his teaching.

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      Vinay Kumar: RE
      Date: Oct 10, 2007, 19:24
      Hi
      Stop discussing osho,why do you interested in osho sexual activities.First of all create interest in your self.
      Why are you investigating so much about it.You got your own consciousness,bet on that.Your all conversation seems silly to me.

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        Anthony Thompson: RE:RE
        Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
        Date: Oct 10, 2007, 23:25
        I investigate " so much" because when people like Christopher calder come with his allegations i have the information to show that he is lying or wrong.
        As far as sexual activity is concerned... just gossiping nothing else, and proving that osho was not declaring himself celibate.
        The discussion is silly... just entertaining.
        Anthony
        http://www.dynam icbrain.net/christopher-c alder-krishna-christ-and- his-lying-or-misinformed- lost-truth

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Alok Singk: Alok From Mumbai
Email: alok.singh@lehman.com
Date: Oct 12, 2007, 9:04
Mr. Calder,

I asked you few question to you without contribute any argument in the on going grate debate in the forum.

In your article The Lost Truth you mention that

That days you have with him in Bombay are the heaven days he was giving you all inner experience as free and I think this is the greatest thing because you could finds millions in the crowd who can talk restless about all atman and GOD but not even one from this crowd have this ability to give the experience and this what exactly called the shakti path in INDIA.

My question to you that do you have that ability to give that experience to any buddy else? If yes then in my opinion you have some right to comment on OSHO because you are on the same level where he was if not then forget all his comment because even people become noble prize winner but show some poor behavior in normal life and this is what we call life.

Next one is about that pregnant lady could you please tell me when exactly that happen and had she launched any FIR against him if yes then could you please mention me the police station I would like to investigate in it personally I am in Bombay and have so many contacts to do it.

Regards
Alok


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Daniel: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Oct 14, 2007, 22:07
Osho Rajneesh explained clearly what he meant by meditation: witnessing. Try it. If it helps you on your way, good. Use it. If it doesn't help you, then okay. Forget about it and forget about Osho Rajneesh. But why waste precious time debating over the facts of his life?

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    Anthony Thompson: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
    Date: Oct 16, 2007, 22:08
    For those interested in the updated verion of my article as a response to calder visit
    http://www.dynamic brain.net/christopher-cal der-man-who-lies-about-os ho

    anthony

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      : RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
      Date: Oct 28, 2007, 17:08
      why do you keep pursuing, anthony? :)

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        Anthony Thompson: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
        Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
        Date: Oct 30, 2007, 17:28
        I keep persuing because I admire Osho and his work. And I do not like to see someone i apreciate and like being treated in a derogatory way. If a lie is repeated long enough it becomes a shared truth. and this is what has happneed with Mr. Calder article. When I first read it about 8 years ago I thought these stories are twisted...but then I did nothing abouit that. Today there are hundreds of webpages quoting calder´s article as an "expert" on Rajneesh. most sannyasins have no information about the subject and issues he writes about. I have devoted a lot of time and energy to my research and I know the facts and the stories.
        >That is why.
        regards
        anthony

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pooja bhutani: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email: diana_crab@yahoo.com
Date: Nov 1, 2007, 20:26
An ode to the master........
chk dis link for his biography........
http:/ /www.otoons.com/osho/inde x.html

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sw. Gagan: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Date: Nov 16, 2007, 13:35
Dear Anthony,

first of all, thanks for your precious article. There was need of such an informative reply to CC's phantasies that, as you say, are often reported as a source of truth.

As far as Osho's sexual activity is concerned, it seems to me that Vivek told at least to two people, Satya Barthi Franklin and Devageet, that Osho never had sex with anybody in his life. And he also asked Satya Barthi (this can be read in her last book on Osho) to spread rumours that, on the contrary, she was having sex with Osho.

Love
Gagan

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    Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
    Date: Nov 18, 2007, 14:48
    Gagan.I want to state that I have no direct knowledge of osho´s sexual activity. All I have is second hand reports. So I have no idea about his sexual life. Those who claim that he had sex with "hundred of women" are misinformed. All I could find are two accounts. Seema and Vivek. The first account is from an early disciple ( from 74),Bhadra, who was a friend of Seema who reported to have had sex with Osho. Now with Vivek there was some other accounts of their being " sort of like girlfriend boyfriend" untill 1977.
    Of course I do not know any of this first hand. So, I do not know. It seems unlikely to me that he was celibate.
    More over, I do not care, it is not an issue to me wther he has sex or not.
    Regards
    Anthony

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venkatesh: classic case of yoga bhrasta
Email: venkateswar25@rediffmail.com
Date: Dec 11, 2007, 9:18
the kundalini reached ajna. but could not reach the sahasra. he thought he reached the final nirvana. but he was fooled by prakriti. and the kundalini energy was misfired from there right down to the bottom muladhara
he lost it all. he lost all punyam. he has to start it again like viswamitra. he has to start sadhana in next birth again. the difference between kp or sathy sai or mahesh yogi. and rajneesh is that rajneesh lost all power. but others have kept it static and are standing at that level and have not fallen. they are near nirvana. it depends on them. swami sivananda, ramana maharshi shirdi sai, vivekananda came to world after reaching nirvana, they never said that they are enlightened. an enlightened person loses his ego. how can he say that he is enlightened. it is up the people around him to recognise him. kaupeena vanta khalu bhagyavanta.


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    Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:classic case of yoga bhrasta
    Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
    Date: Dec 13, 2007, 1:07
    Babe. you have read way too much Indian literature. I am sure you have no idea what you are talking about... just ald yoguic ideas repeated century after century. belief systems beyond your actual direct experience. i am preety sure you did not meet the people you mention.
    Anthony

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      Sw. Deva Nedko: RE:classic case of yoga bhrasta
      Date: Dec 13, 2007, 12:53
      anthony,

      2 things:

      1. thank you for you replying so carefully to these idiocies by Mr. Pfuetze (Walter).

      2. about sex & enlightnement:

      a) as far as I have read, Gurdjeff had sex with women; he also did eat meat. Still he's enlightened enough for me ... (meant as "british understatement")

      b) And Osho & sex:
      to me this looks like this question:

      Will a grown man still like to sit in the sandbox and drive about with toy cars in his hands, making car noises and pretending they are real ones?

      Regarding that - I'm a grown man (Sannyasin since '79, and then no child anymore), and for me that would not really a choice - though I guess it could be fun, once, for about 10 seconds ...
      I prefer to drive a real car (or two -- not a the same time, though ...)

      Back to the analogy and Osho, everyone is free (as always) to draw his own conclusions, of course.

      Afterthought:
      You mentioned sex as biological need - that's true, of course; still one has to be careful with this fact, as in man biology and psychology are so intimately intertwined. And especially in our case, living in a state of near chaos - our so-called "normal" state, where everything is topsy-turvy - it is not advisable to draw conclusions too early. Regarding these matters, if I want to know where to look for truth, I trust Osho's insight most, as he has no hidden private agenda and is able to report on what he sees.
      (I'd like to point out that as a longtime Sannyasin I do not believe - and never did - a single word he says - but his words are the most trustful pointers* to the truth I could find.)
      - -
      * Hope that's the right expression, English is not my language, either.



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        Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:classic case of yoga bhrasta
        Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
        Date: Dec 14, 2007, 1:13
        Nedko.
        For me, being a westerner is not an issue or a proof of anything spiritual if people have sex or not. For me it is as meaningless in spiritual terms as to discuss wether you shave or not.
        I have no direct experience of osho sexual life... he never did any pass on me! so i do not know. he said he had sex... i do not know wether it is true , he was bragging or whatever. I have some testimonies of people who said had sex with him. is it true? I do not know... I was not there. and I do not care.
        All my insistence is that having sex or not, as well as shaving is absolutely unimportant as far as spiritual qualities is concerned.
        My full discussion is on:
        http://www.fillmash. com/christopher-calder-ma n-who-lies-about-osho
        re gards
        anthony

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          Sw. Deva Nedko: RE:classic case of yoga bhrasta
          Date: Dec 14, 2007, 2:04
          Anthony,

          thanks for your reply.

          And while you bring it up:

          Gurdjeff did shave, while Osho did not!
          I's about time the discussion starts on the spiritual significance of that until now sadly overlooked fact - the connection between shaving and enlightenment!

          And there are myriads of other equally spiritually significant factors - like brushing your teeth, combing your hair - or not, if there is no hair - oh yes, now that's extremely important:

          Baldness and Enlightenment!!

          Can bald men advance spiritually at all? Or is it just a pretension to compensate for the loss of their hair?
          Or - is baldness on the contrary a prerequisite for enlightenment - look at Gurdjeff's _and_ Osho's head?!?
          Endless possibilities open up...!

          Well, I'll do something useful now and go meditate, love to you.




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            Anthony Thompson: RE:classic case of yoga bhrasta
            Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
            Date: Dec 14, 2007, 18:16
            Nedko. Thank you for bringing up these important issues to my notice... the only thing that i am sure is that an enlightened master can not have a mustache... unless he is bald like gurdjieff... then it is ok. Otherwise you end up looking like a seventies porn actor... if you do not believe me... just look at Andrew cohen!!
            Love to you too
            Anthony

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              Sw. Deva Nedko: RE:classic case of yoga bhrasta
              Date: Dec 15, 2007, 2:08
              Sorry for replying once more, but you're completely right about Mr. Cohen.
              It's not his fault, of course; as of course now it's too late for him to be a seventies porn actor (and he surely would have been excellent at it), what other career options has he left? Used car salesman - but there's a real competition there, he wouldn't stand a chance; so the guru business is an obvious choice, with no direct contenders per definitionem.
              - Enough of that. Bye, Anthony, and good luck in your life, also spiritually (though that almost sounds like a dirty word these days) ...




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                Anandakala: RE:classic case of yoga bhrasta
                Email: velvet_face@hotmail.com
                Date: Dec 18, 2007, 5:45
                Anthony Thompson, Indrajit, Eunice - thank you all for your well-considered and intelligent (and loving!) contributions to the above long discussion. Christopher Calder clearly is consumed with anger, resentment and bitterness, and he continually resorts to personally insulting anyone who disagrees with his dubious conclusions, suppositions and ill-referenced "facts".

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                  Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:classic case of yoga bhrasta
                  Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
                  Date: Dec 18, 2007, 19:17
                  Anandakala.
                  My aim is to put my knowledge and research in the service of truth. If anyone disagrees with osho´s vision and techniques it is absolutely ok with me. But if out of my feeling threatened by that vision I invent or mis-quote him in order to make him appear as an evil character... then I have to stand up and fight back what I consider an agression to someone who Just shared his truth and vision for the well being of humanity.
                  regards
                  Antho ny

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Bernhard Smith: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
Email:
Date: Dec 22, 2007, 19:59
Mr. Thompson,

you talk about truth, but you create nothing but lies. You are a manic liar, as most Osho disciples. You cannot stand any truth because it hurts your childish spiritual egos. Osho used people just for the sake of his own megalomanic and narcistic games.

J. Krishnamurt said the following about Osho in 1985:

"I have received thousands of letters from all over the world asking why I do not speak out in public against this man. But I will not, as it is not my way. The man is a criminal. You have to understand this very clearly. What he is doing to people in the name of spirituality is criminal. One must never give to another human being - and he is a simple human being - your ultimate manifestation of consciousness, which is your ability to make decisions for yourself. You have made a great mistake in giving him that power for twelfe years, but understand this: No man has power exept the power his followers give him. That is why he needs people around him all the time, and the more the better."

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    Anthony Thompson Ph.D.: RE:Reporting From The Osho Resort
    Email: athompsonphd@hotmail.com
    Date: Dec 22, 2007, 22:06
    Mr. Smith. I always appreciate a good debate. So, would you please tell me where have I lied? and please supply your proofs otherwise.
    You seem to be associated with Mr. Calder. similar style of just insulting without providing any proof of what you say.
    Krishnamurti never met Osho, just heard from desilusioned disciples. Unless he was omnisient he had no first hand information. Moreover he is intitled to have his opinion... unless you think he was infallible.
    So, I am waiting for what you have to say... and plese include bibliographical references. In case you do not know... it means mentioning from where you got the information.
    regards
    anthony

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      Bernhard Smith: The decline of Osho and his movement
      Date: Dec 24, 2007, 15:30
      Mr. Thompson,

      you pretend to be scientific (stressing your Ph.D.), but you do not even accept simple facts. That is completely unscientific and it shows that you are not motivated by a search for truth. I do not agree with all and everything which Mr. Calder says, but Mr. Calder has given many facts. Additionally many people have written books, full of facts.

      I will not give my identity, because I do not want to be harassed and get death threats like others who started to tell facts. But I have been in Ponna 1 for long, I was in Oregeon up to the day when Osho left back for India and I visited Ponna 2 after Oshos death. I have enough authentic experience of my own. It would fill books, if I wrote it down. When I went to Poona for the first time, the energy was spontaneous, colourful, playful and ecstatic. The Ashram was an energetic place and the whole thing seemed to be an adventure: A place where love, laughter and liveliness blended with meditation, a place in which narrow-minded nationalism, ideologies and religions dissolved. A hope for humanity. I „took sannyas“ and for the years to come, I lived from a suitcase. I lived in various communes and stayed in Poona as long as I was able to manage. Some years later I found myself in Orgeon, USA, in a strange situation which was contradictory to all which was acceptable for me: attempted murder, biological attacks with salmonella, bugging devices installed throughout the commune... I needed many years to understand what had happened. Many of the responsibles disappeared, changed their names or even underwent plastic surgery to hide their identities. During the years to come I spoke with many sannyasins about the strange events that had happend. But most of them either completely rejected any discussion or came up with absurd and even violent arguments. Hiding and covering become a habit in the movement. Obvioulsy there is no interest for truth any more.

      I experienced a great deal of abuse and lies in Poona as well as in Oregon. Abuse of all kind, material, physical and psychological. A long list. I have met Osho as well as J. Krishnamurti. But neither meeting them or a meeting between the two is a required per-condition to be able to ctiticize criminal behaviour. It just needs a simple ethical understanding. Meanwhile many books have been published by sannyasins, scientists, journalists etc. And there are many articles available on the internet for free, covering a wide range of subject related to Osho. The basic content of most publications is the search for an understanding. The search for truth and for what has really happened and for what is happening with the Osho movement today. Naturally most of the publications are subjective, but a great deal of the speculations is created by the fact that there is so much covered. However, it is not a good idea to silence and cover up the things. We do not need new myths. Myth will create great demage and destroy everthing in the long run. In times of the internet this will not work any more. Statements and writings are comparable immediately on the internet today and therefore facts easily can be distinguished from lies. In fact lies never work. Many of the publications come from sannyasins who had direct contact with Osho for a long time. Sannyasins who also knew the realities behind the stage. But still there is so much covered as many of those who were involved seem to fear prosecution. Therefore I think it is important, that those, who were not involved in the „high-ranks“, begin to step forward and talk about their experience. Including those who were raised in sannyas environments and are grown ups by now. This is a well known historical process. And this process has just begun. You Mr. Thompson will get into more and more troubles, in the course of time. Supressing facts never helps.

      Osho often spoke against believes of all kind, however, in practice he massively propagated believe in himself. Surrender is nothing but a form of believe. People, who surrender their lives to another human being, resign themselves to any nonsense. Surrender is completely different from love. Surrender means to give up ones own will and responsibility. Why should a person do that? Because he hopes for something! Surrender means that a person gives control about his life to another person to get something in exchange! It is a kind of business: Desire for a life without problems, for sexual fulfilment, for enlightenment, the status as a teacher, for prosperity, power etc... From such longings dependeny originates. Surrender just creates a completely unreal situation: The "disciple" is dominated and to the "master" the world manifests as an effect of his own "spiritual power ". At the end, on both sides, a complete loss of reality takes place, a mutual illusion. A symbiotic behaviour which, at the most, may create a temporary relieve from responsibility on the side of the disciple. However, the ego does